Yes people do make thoughtful counter arguments Bako, you just refuse to acknowledge them or give them any validity. Additionally when you make statements about the Saints cutting people's feet off and calling parts of their staff the worst in the history of the NFL then turn around and say other user's posts are like arguing with teenagers it's telling about your nature. I always thought Guido was the King when it comes to lacking self awareness...but now I think you might have that crown.