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Old 01-18-2023, 02:17 PM   #1
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Evaluating Coaches

Let's talk about coaches. There needs to be substantial shake up in the team direction and who's taking us there. Who should we keep and who's on the cutting block? This is what I found after a quick look at their bios. I did not list assistant coaches but feel free to discuss them too.


Offense:

Dennis Allen. Head coach. Allen had another abysmal season as a head coach after failing with the Raiders in his first attempt. He's a good DC but he's in way over his head as a Head coach.

Pete Carmichael. Offensive Coordinator. Carmichael's job security is gone after 14 seasons as OC, mostly under Sean Payton.

Ronald Curry. Passing Game Coordinator/Quarterbacks coach. Curry is considered a top offensive young mind who has been in the NFL 17 seasons.

Dan Roushar. Roushar is the run game coordinator/tight ends coach. He's been with the Saints for 9 years. He made Juwan Johnson, a converted UDFA wideout, our best receiving TE since Jeremy Shockey.

Joel Thomas. Running backs coach. Thomas has been the Saints running backs coach for seven seasons. I have to credit him for some of AK's success.

Kodi Burns. WR's coach. Burns has been here one year and has done an amazing job with developing Olave and Shaheed rookie receivers into deep threats. He comes from UT with experience developing players.

Doug Marrone. Offensive line coach. Marrone did well in his first stint with New Orleans but has struggled since his return. He helped to finally developed Ruiz last season.

Defense:

Ryan Nielsen: Co-Defensive Coordinator/Defensive line. Nielsen has been in charge of the D-line for six years and is highly sought after for vacant coaching spots.

Kris Richard. Co-defensive Coordinator/Secondary coach. Richard joined the Saints in 2021 and helped solidify the back end. We are widely respected for our secondary with a lot of the credit due to him. He is also sought after this coaching cycle.

Peter Guinta. Senior defensive assistant. 43 year coaching veteran with three Super bowl Championships.

Michael Hodges. Linebackers coach. He has developed Pete Werner and Ellis into starters and the room is solid.

Special Teams:

Darren Rizzi. Special teams have been up and down in New Orleans since 2019, but mostly up. He was the Saints assistant head coach in 2022 as well.


This was almost a poll but I changes my mind.

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Old 01-18-2023, 02:43 PM   #2
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Let's talk about coaches. There needs to be substantial shake up in the team direction and who's taking us there. Who should we keep and who's on the cutting block? This is what I found after a quick look at their bios. I did not list assistant coaches but feel free to discuss them too.


Offense:

Dennis Allen. Head coach. Allen had another abysmal season as a head coach after failing with the Raiders in his first attempt. He's a good DC but he's in way over his head as a Head coach.

Pete Carmichael. Offensive Coordinator. Carmichael's job security is gone after 14 seasons as OC, mostly under Sean Payton.

Ronald Curry. Passing Game Coordinator/Quarterbacks coach. Curry is considered a top offensive young mind who has been in the NFL 17 seasons.

Dan Roushar. Roushar is the run game coordinator/tight ends coach. He's been with the Saints for 9 years. He made Juwan Johnson, a converted UDFA wideout, our best receiving TE since Jeremy Shockey.

Joel Thomas. Running backs coach. Thomas has been the Saints running backs coach for seven seasons. I have to credit him for some of AK's success.

Kodi Burns. WR's coach. Burns has been here one year and has done an amazing job with developing Olave and Shaheed rookie receivers into deep threats. He comes from UT with experience developing players.

Doug Marrone. Offensive line coach. Marrone did well in his first stint with New Orleans but has struggled since his return. He helped to finally developed Ruiz last season.

Defense:

Ryan Nielsen: Co-Defensive Coordinator/Defensive line. Nielsen has been in charge of the D-line for six years and is highly sought after for vacant coaching spots.

Kris Richard. Co-defensive Coordinator/Secondary coach. Richard joined the Saints in 2021 and helped solidify the back end. We are widely respected for our secondary with a lot of the credit due to him. He is also sought after this coaching cycle.

Peter Guinta. Senior defensive assistant. 43 year coaching veteran with three Super bowl Championships.

Michael Hodges. Linebackers coach. He has developed Pete Werner and Ellis into starters and the room is solid.

Special Teams:

Darren Rizzi. Special teams have been up and down in New Orleans since 2019, but mostly up. He was the Saints assistant head coach in 2022 as well.


This was almost a poll but I changes my mind.
Nice breakdown. Begin with Dennis Allen. Now.
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Nice breakdown. Begin with Dennis Allen. Now.
Too late. We already know he's going to be back in place for 2023. And as I have said many times before, I am not a Dennis Allen fan. But I am realistic enough to know that he wasn't going anywhere after one year and no amount of writhing in agony is going to change that fact.

Next is Pete Carmichael. I have been a critic of Carmichael pretty much all season long, but I'm getting the feeling his job may be safe, as well.

I would have liked to see Curry get a shot at OC, but unless Carmichael is replaced I have a feeling Curry will be getting that OC position elsewhere.

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Old 01-18-2023, 03:07 PM   #4
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Too late. We already know he's going to be back in place for 2023. And as I have said many times before, I am not a Dennis Allen fan. But I am realistic enough to know that he wasn't going anywhere after one year and no amount of writhing in agony is going to change that fact.

Next is Pete Carmichael. I have been a critic of Carmichael pretty much all season long, but I'm getting the feeling his job may be safe, as well.

I would have liked to see Curry get a shot at OC, but unless Carmichael is replaced I have a feeling Curry will be getting that OC position elsewhere.
We're in trouble. PERIOD.
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We're in trouble. PERIOD.
How else would Mr. Negativity feel? Don't worry, maybe the sun won't come up tomorrow.
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Old 01-18-2023, 03:14 PM   #6
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How else would Mr. Negativity feel? Don't worry, maybe the sun won't come up tomorrow.
Let me gently guide you back to the title of this thread. There.
The sun will come up tomorrow, and we'll still be in trouble.

It's not me being Mr. Negativity. It's the sorry-azz mismanagement of my team, after a pathetic season, that I am evaluating.
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Back in the Jim Mora era, it was widely assumed the conservative/crappy play calling was because of Carl Smith. Many years later it was leaked by several ex players it was Jim Mora calling the shots the entire time and that Carl Smith was only doing what he was told to do. The point of this is on the surface we can all assume it's Pete Carmichael's fault, but it really could be the plays that the Dennis Allen is wanting called.
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Let me gently guide you back to the title of this thread. There.
The sun will come up tomorrow, and we'll still be in trouble.

It's not me being Mr. Negativity. It's the sorry-azz mismanagement of my team, after a pathetic season, that I am evaluating.
Sorry, I seem to have missed your evaluation.
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Old 01-18-2023, 03:25 PM   #9
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Sorry, I seem to have missed your evaluation.
Clearly. Just re-read my first comment, without the "Kumbaya" sedative.
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Back in the Jim Mora era, it was widely assumed the conservative/crappy play calling was because of Carl Smith. Many years later it was leaked by several ex players it was Jim Mora calling the shots the entire time and that Carl Smith was only doing what he was told to do. The point of this is on the surface we can all assume it's Pete Carmichael's fault, but it really could be the plays that the Dennis Allen is wanting called.
Possibly, although I'll give Mora a pass for leading us to our first five winning seasons in his first seven years as head coach. And first four playoff appearances. Hopefully we see at least the same from Allen moving forward.
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