Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff

halloween 65 · 01-20-2023, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He's also looked like crap his last two seasons with Payton calling plays. Have you forgot about that?

Brees arm was the problem the last 2 years, that allowed D's to shorten up the box. Short to mids had to be defended.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Brees arm was the problem the last 2 years, that allowed D's to shorten up the box. Short to mids had to be defended.

Yup. Seeing the same thing with Dalton out there. We need some sort of threat at QB or Vince Lombardi himself wouldn't help.

AsylumGuido · 01-21-2023, 11:10 AM

Kind of where I stand.

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saintsfan1976 · 01-22-2023, 08:03 AM

It's where I stand as well.

There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays.

It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton.

So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact.

Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage.

neugey · 01-22-2023, 11:02 AM

Watching the Jags and Chiefs call plays yesterday made me realize more than ever there's A LOT of improvement that needs to be made to our offensive approach. We have quite a ways to go to be competent.

blackangold · 01-22-2023, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

It's where I stand as well.

There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays.

It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton.

So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact.

Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage.

How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints.

Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in.

leilung · 01-22-2023, 12:17 PM

My two cents:
Pete had all the time in the world to ride right seat and see learn how the Saints were supposed to roll while coaching with SP. After all of that time, he finally got his chance to get behind the wheel. But instead of taking the wheel and rolling out, his play calling seems timid and inept. It's baffling how he was along for the ride all of those years and not able to make the transition to effectively drive the scoring!

This makes me kind of dubious about what he'll do differently in 2023.

Sinner · 01-22-2023, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

My two cents:
Pete had all the time in the world to ride right seat and see learn how the Saints were supposed to roll while coaching with SP. After all of that time, he finally got his chance to get behind the wheel. But instead of taking the wheel and rolling out, his play calling seems timid and inept. It's baffling how he was along for the ride all of those years and not able to make the transition to effectively drive the scoring!

This makes me kind of dubious about what he'll do differently in 2023.

HARSH (BUT NECESSARY) REALITY CHECK ^^^

K Major · 01-22-2023, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in.

Mindset.

“Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity.

AsylumGuido · 01-22-2023, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Mindset.

“Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity.

Mindset.

Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control.

01-20-2023, 07:09 PM	#91
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He's also looked like crap his last two seasons with Payton calling plays. Have you forgot about that? Brees arm was the problem the last 2 years, that allowed D's to shorten up the box. Short to mids had to be defended. AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.

01-20-2023, 07:11 PM	#92
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by halloween 65 Brees arm was the problem the last 2 years, that allowed D's to shorten up the box. Short to mids had to be defended. Yup. Seeing the same thing with Dalton out there. We need some sort of threat at QB or Vince Lombardi himself wouldn't help.

01-21-2023, 11:10 AM	#93
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Kind of where I stand. Twitter WW_Who_Dat likes this.

01-22-2023, 08:03 AM	#94
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff It's where I stand as well. There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays. It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton. So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact. Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage. AsylumGuido and WW_Who_Dat like this.

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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Watching the Jags and Chiefs call plays yesterday made me realize more than ever there's A LOT of improvement that needs to be made to our offensive approach. We have quite a ways to go to be competent. iceshack149, UK_WhoDat, leilung and 3 others like this.

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01-22-2023, 11:06 AM	#96
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 It's where I stand as well. There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays. It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton. So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact. Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage. How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints. Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in. iceshack149, SmashMouth, Sinner and 1 others like this.

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01-22-2023, 01:20 PM	#98
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by leilung My two cents: Pete had all the time in the world to ride right seat and see learn how the Saints were supposed to roll while coaching with SP. After all of that time, he finally got his chance to get behind the wheel. But instead of taking the wheel and rolling out, his play calling seems timid and inept. It's baffling how he was along for the ride all of those years and not able to make the transition to effectively drive the scoring! This makes me kind of dubious about what he'll do differently in 2023. HARSH (BUT NECESSARY) REALITY CHECK ^^^
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01-22-2023, 01:30 PM	#99
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by blackangold Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in. Mindset. “Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity. Sinner likes this.

01-22-2023, 01:38 PM	#100
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by K Major Mindset. “Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity. Mindset. Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control.