Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I’m currently undecided about how I feel about Carmichael. He had basically back up qbs to work with and two rookies as our top two receivers for most of the season. We all know what he was capable of with a good qb so let’s go out and get him one and see what he can do. Going to a game can really allow you to see the whole field better and I can assure you, guys we’re getting open, just crappy qb play for the most part. Makes me feel like he can still be productive for game day. On the other hand, I’d like a fresh new mind that can bring in some new innovative ideas to fit the modern NFL. Enter Booby Slowik

Bingo! I was at every home game and we had open receivers all the time. Dalton was either making a single read/throwing it away, missing the receiver, or hitting the open guy and he just plain dropped it. Sure, Carmichael was what I thought too conservative on 1st and 2nd downs, but maybe he simply didn't have confidence in the QB.

cmike · 01-20-2023, 03:49 PM

Pete is taking a lot of heat for players not executing plays.
Yes, Carmichael made some head scratching calls throughout the season.
So, he’s not getting off the hook that easy.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by cmike

Pete is taking a lot of heat for players not executing plays.
Yes, Carmichael made some head scratching calls throughout the season.
So, he’s not getting off the hook that easy.

Exactly my thinking there, cmike.

saintsfan1976 · 01-20-2023, 03:50 PM

I think it's wise to wait until more moves (or lack of) have been made.

I'm trying not to get caught up in knee jerk reactions.

It's entirely possible another mind is brought on to learn Pete's system while Pete is on staff and then eventually take it to new levels.

That's my hope anyway.

saintsfan1976 · 01-22-2023, 07:03 AM

It's where I stand as well.

There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays.

It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton.

So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact.

Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage.

blackangold · 01-22-2023, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

It's where I stand as well.

There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays.

It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton.

So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact.

Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage.

How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints.

Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in.

K Major · 01-22-2023, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in.

Mindset.

“Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity.

AsylumGuido · 01-22-2023, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Mindset.

“Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity.

Mindset.

Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control.

Sinner · 01-22-2023, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Mindset.

Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control.

I still cannot imagine, or get into the "mindset" of a customer, a consumer, a FAN that can just sit back and continue to believe that the law of supply and demand doesn't play a part in a (BIG) business, such as the Sports/Entertainment Industry. Of course it's in your control. You just don't want to demand better from your service provider. Y'all just sit back and enjoy mediocrity (at best), dismal performance (at its worst), and keep forking over your hard-earned bucks and life force to be content with more of the same. It's clinical Masochism.

saintsfan1976 · 01-23-2023, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints.

Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in.

I'm not defending "anything the Saints do", in fact I've been very vocal in my criticism. I even stated Pete wasn't effective without SP...

If you're suggesting the Offensive Coordinator of the last 16 years wasn't designing plays throughout the week then I'm not sure there's much more to debate about because that's just not plausible.

01-20-2023, 04:13 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I’m currently undecided about how I feel about Carmichael. He had basically back up qbs to work with and two rookies as our top two receivers for most of the season. We all know what he was capable of with a good qb so let’s go out and get him one and see what he can do. Going to a game can really allow you to see the whole field better and I can assure you, guys we’re getting open, just crappy qb play for the most part. Makes me feel like he can still be productive for game day. On the other hand, I’d like a fresh new mind that can bring in some new innovative ideas to fit the modern NFL. Enter Booby Slowik Bingo! I was at every home game and we had open receivers all the time. Dalton was either making a single read/throwing it away, missing the receiver, or hitting the open guy and he just plain dropped it. Sure, Carmichael was what I thought too conservative on 1st and 2nd downs, but maybe he simply didn't have confidence in the QB.

01-20-2023, 03:49 PM	#2
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,447	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Pete is taking a lot of heat for players not executing plays. Yes, Carmichael made some head scratching calls throughout the season. So, he’s not getting off the hook that easy. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-20-2023, 04:14 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by cmike Pete is taking a lot of heat for players not executing plays. Yes, Carmichael made some head scratching calls throughout the season. So, he’s not getting off the hook that easy. Exactly my thinking there, cmike.

01-20-2023, 03:50 PM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,020 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff I think it's wise to wait until more moves (or lack of) have been made. I'm trying not to get caught up in knee jerk reactions. It's entirely possible another mind is brought on to learn Pete's system while Pete is on staff and then eventually take it to new levels. That's my hope anyway. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-22-2023, 07:03 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,020 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff It's where I stand as well. There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays. It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton. So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact. Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage. AsylumGuido and WW_Who_Dat like this.

01-22-2023, 10:06 AM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 It's where I stand as well. There's a reason Carmichael never left for another gig. He isn't strong enough on his own. Payton was the vocal leader, holding everyone accountable. Pete is the demure figure in the background scheming brilliant plays. It became obvious (and in hindsight) that Pete wasn't going to be as successful without the leadership of Sean Payton. So yeah, don't knock the guy for being retained. He's the architect of one of the most successful offensive systems. One we desperately need to keep intact. Now the team needs to bring in a younger version of Pete to learn, emulate and eventually evolve the system under Pete's tutelage. How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints. Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in. iceshack149, SmashMouth, Sinner and 1 others like this.

01-22-2023, 12:30 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by blackangold Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in. Mindset. “Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity. Sinner likes this.

01-22-2023, 12:38 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by K Major Mindset. “Some” are simply ok with average, mediocrity. Mindset. Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control.

01-22-2023, 12:54 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Mindset. Some want excellence as much as anyone else but choose not to constantly spend their time *****ing and moaning about things out of their control. I still cannot imagine, or get into the "mindset" of a customer, a consumer, a FAN that can just sit back and continue to believe that the law of supply and demand doesn't play a part in a (BIG) business, such as the Sports/Entertainment Industry. Of course it's in your control. You just don't want to demand better from your service provider. Y'all just sit back and enjoy mediocrity (at best), dismal performance (at its worst), and keep forking over your hard-earned bucks and life force to be content with more of the same. It's clinical Masochism. iceshack149 and K Major like this.
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01-23-2023, 05:44 AM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,020 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by blackangold How do we know he was scheming plays? He didn’t call plays. We don’t know if he designed them. This was a true season seeing what he can do without Payton, and it was dog ****. If Pete comes back I’m taking a year off from the Saints. Some folks here, and particularly here for some reason would defend anything the Saints do, they’d praise bringing jamarcus russell in. I'm not defending "anything the Saints do", in fact I've been very vocal in my criticism. I even stated Pete wasn't effective without SP... If you're suggesting the Offensive Coordinator of the last 16 years wasn't designing plays throughout the week then I'm not sure there's much more to debate about because that's just not plausible.