Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff

TheOak · 01-20-2023, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Total lack of self-awareness. This guy has made many great posters on this site leave out of frustration. He's the worst troll I've ever witnessed.

I propose quite the opposite lol. It is unbridled narcissism and any empathy exhibited is not genuine but rather an attempt to reflect a favorable image. He rationalizes his caustic bias as optimism, but optimism is actually healthy and doesn't start arguments.

He is allowed to do what he wishes, but so is everyone else, this is the B&G way. When it becomes problematic is when the users, not the admin, decide they have had enough of the banter and start telling those that have had enough of him that they don't want to see it. Those people are conflict averse and do not realize their passive aggressive approach does not resonate with the caustic antagonist, but instead empowers him because he cant comprehend how he could possibly be in the wrong. Narcissists are never wrong and it is always about their point of view. If you challenge their character they get triggered which is ironic considering they lie to themselves continuously.. It's a fascinating study.

I try my hardest to ignore the mentally compromised and reflect on Twain's.. 'Don't argue with them, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

K Major · 01-20-2023, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I propose quite the opposite lol. It is unbridled narcissism and any empathy exhibited is not genuine but rather an attempt to reflect a favorable image. He rationalizes his caustic bias as optimism, but optimism is actually healthy and doesn't start arguments.

He is allowed to do what he wishes, but so is everyone else, this is the B&G way. When it becomes problematic is when the users, not the admin, decide they have had enough of the banter and start telling those that have had enough of him that they don't want to see it. Those people are conflict averse and do not realize their passive aggressive approach does not resonate with the caustic antagonist, but instead empowers him because he cant comprehend how he could possibly be in the wrong. Narcissists are never wrong and it is always about their point of view. If you challenge their character they get triggered which is ironic considering they lie to themselves continuously.. It's a fascinating study.

I try my hardest to ignore the mentally compromised and reflect on Twain's.. 'Don't argue with them, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

SaintsBro · 01-20-2023, 11:16 AM

I didn't expect any major changes especially while the Pelicans are doing so well. Why rock the boat? Their minds are clearly elsewhere right now besides the Saints.

FinSaint · 01-20-2023, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Actually, I hoping to more of the offense that we had back in 2012 when Carmichael's playcalling led to the Saints finishing #3 in scoring and #2 in total yards. Hopefully Allen lets him open it up like he's always done in the past when he was call plays.

Brees retired.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Brees retired.

Yes, he did. That just shows how important the players are to success of the team. I was all for replacing Carmichael, but it didn't happen, so I'm looking for the positives. One is that we have had great success with Carmichael calling plays in the past so all is not lost. We need a healthy line and a QB that can make plays. And, yes, we need Carmichael to open up the offense more just like he used to do when calling plays prior to this last season.

Sinner · 01-20-2023, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I propose quite the opposite lol. It is unbridled narcissism and any empathy exhibited is not genuine but rather an attempt to reflect a favorable image. He rationalizes his caustic bias as optimism, but optimism is actually healthy and doesn't start arguments.

He is allowed to do what he wishes, but so is everyone else, this is the B&G way. When it becomes problematic is when the users, not the admin, decide they have had enough of the banter and start telling those that have had enough of him that they don't want to see it. Those people are conflict averse and do not realize their passive aggressive approach does not resonate with the caustic antagonist, but instead empowers him because he cant comprehend how he could possibly be in the wrong. Narcissists are never wrong and it is always about their point of view. If you challenge their character they get triggered which is ironic considering they lie to themselves continuously.. It's a fascinating study.

I try my hardest to ignore the mentally compromised and reflect on Twain's.. 'Don't argue with them, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

"If you enter into an argument with a fool, he has already won"

~ African Proverb

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 11:34 AM

This is true. Even if we had got a new OC like we all had wanted we would have still had to accomplish most or all of these things to improve the offense.

K Major · 01-20-2023, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I didn't expect any major changes especially while the Pelicans are doing so well. Why rock the boat? Their minds are clearly elsewhere right now besides the Saints.

The Saints deserve every bit of FAILURE that's headed their way in 2023.

This type of thinking/MINDSET does not stand in 98% of all other organizations. Front office is becoming a joke. Easily the worse team in the league at the moment.

Essentially force someone who publicly declared no interest in the role. Pete has done a TERRIBLE job in 2022 & yet here we are business as usual, with no changes.

Don't be surprised if Loomis and co get LOWBALLED for SP.

Loomis & Mrs. Benson will need to learn the hard way that continuity & stability doesn't sell tickets - winning does.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 12:13 PM

Sounds like someone is going to be so very disappointed when the Saints win.

Sinner · 01-20-2023, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

The Saints deserve every bit of FAILURE that's headed their way in 2023.

This type of thinking/MINDSET does not stand in 98% of all other organizations. Front office is becoming a joke. Easily the worse team in the league at the moment.

Essentially force someone who publicly declared no interest in the role. Pete has done a TERRIBLE job in 2022 & yet here we are business as usual, with no changes.

Don't be surprised if Loomis and co get LOWBALLED for SP.

Loomis & Mrs. Benson will need to learn the hard way that continuity & stability doesn't sell tickets - winning does.

It's the sad folks who keep pouring their hard-earned money and "moral support" into this "Just keep doing what you're doing" machine, that need to learn how to pull back, and become part of the solution. The bean counters do notice, when fans become disgruntled. Basically, that's the bottom line.

01-20-2023, 08:44 AM	#61
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by iceshack149 Total lack of self-awareness. This guy has made many great posters on this site leave out of frustration. He's the worst troll I've ever witnessed. I propose quite the opposite lol. It is unbridled narcissism and any empathy exhibited is not genuine but rather an attempt to reflect a favorable image. He rationalizes his caustic bias as optimism, but optimism is actually healthy and doesn't start arguments. He is allowed to do what he wishes, but so is everyone else, this is the B&G way. When it becomes problematic is when the users, not the admin, decide they have had enough of the banter and start telling those that have had enough of him that they don't want to see it. Those people are conflict averse and do not realize their passive aggressive approach does not resonate with the caustic antagonist, but instead empowers him because he cant comprehend how he could possibly be in the wrong. Narcissists are never wrong and it is always about their point of view. If you challenge their character they get triggered which is ironic considering they lie to themselves continuously.. It's a fascinating study. I try my hardest to ignore the mentally compromised and reflect on Twain's.. 'Don't argue with them, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.' iceshack149, saintsfan1976, Sinner and 1 others like this.
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01-20-2023, 10:37 AM	#62
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by TheOak I propose quite the opposite lol. It is unbridled narcissism and any empathy exhibited is not genuine but rather an attempt to reflect a favorable image. He rationalizes his caustic bias as optimism, but optimism is actually healthy and doesn't start arguments. He is allowed to do what he wishes, but so is everyone else, this is the B&G way. When it becomes problematic is when the users, not the admin, decide they have had enough of the banter and start telling those that have had enough of him that they don't want to see it. Those people are conflict averse and do not realize their passive aggressive approach does not resonate with the caustic antagonist, but instead empowers him because he cant comprehend how he could possibly be in the wrong. Narcissists are never wrong and it is always about their point of view. If you challenge their character they get triggered which is ironic considering they lie to themselves continuously.. It's a fascinating study. I try my hardest to ignore the mentally compromised and reflect on Twain's.. 'Don't argue with them, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

01-20-2023, 11:16 AM	#63
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff I didn't expect any major changes especially while the Pelicans are doing so well. Why rock the boat? Their minds are clearly elsewhere right now besides the Saints.

01-20-2023, 11:17 AM	#64
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Actually, I hoping to more of the offense that we had back in 2012 when Carmichael's playcalling led to the Saints finishing #3 in scoring and #2 in total yards. Hopefully Allen lets him open it up like he's always done in the past when he was call plays. Brees retired.

01-20-2023, 11:23 AM	#65
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by FinSaint Brees retired. Yes, he did. That just shows how important the players are to success of the team. I was all for replacing Carmichael, but it didn't happen, so I'm looking for the positives. One is that we have had great success with Carmichael calling plays in the past so all is not lost. We need a healthy line and a QB that can make plays. And, yes, we need Carmichael to open up the offense more just like he used to do when calling plays prior to this last season.

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01-20-2023, 11:30 AM	#66
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,875	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by TheOak I propose quite the opposite lol. It is unbridled narcissism and any empathy exhibited is not genuine but rather an attempt to reflect a favorable image. He rationalizes his caustic bias as optimism, but optimism is actually healthy and doesn't start arguments. He is allowed to do what he wishes, but so is everyone else, this is the B&G way. When it becomes problematic is when the users, not the admin, decide they have had enough of the banter and start telling those that have had enough of him that they don't want to see it. Those people are conflict averse and do not realize their passive aggressive approach does not resonate with the caustic antagonist, but instead empowers him because he cant comprehend how he could possibly be in the wrong. Narcissists are never wrong and it is always about their point of view. If you challenge their character they get triggered which is ironic considering they lie to themselves continuously.. It's a fascinating study. I try my hardest to ignore the mentally compromised and reflect on Twain's.. 'Don't argue with them, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.' "If you enter into an argument with a fool, he has already won" ~ African Proverb K Major likes this.
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01-20-2023, 11:34 AM	#67
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff This is true. Even if we had got a new OC like we all had wanted we would have still had to accomplish most or all of these things to improve the offense. Twitter

01-20-2023, 12:06 PM	#68
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by SaintsBro I didn't expect any major changes especially while the Pelicans are doing so well. Why rock the boat? Their minds are clearly elsewhere right now besides the Saints. The Saints deserve every bit of FAILURE that's headed their way in 2023. This type of thinking/MINDSET does not stand in 98% of all other organizations. Front office is becoming a joke. Easily the worse team in the league at the moment. Essentially force someone who publicly declared no interest in the role. Pete has done a TERRIBLE job in 2022 & yet here we are business as usual, with no changes. Don't be surprised if Loomis and co get LOWBALLED for SP. Loomis & Mrs. Benson will need to learn the hard way that continuity & stability doesn't sell tickets - winning does. Sinner likes this.
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01-20-2023, 12:13 PM	#69
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Sounds like someone is going to be so very disappointed when the Saints win.

01-20-2023, 12:37 PM	#70
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,875	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by K Major The Saints deserve every bit of FAILURE that's headed their way in 2023. This type of thinking/MINDSET does not stand in 98% of all other organizations. Front office is becoming a joke. Easily the worse team in the league at the moment. Essentially force someone who publicly declared no interest in the role. Pete has done a TERRIBLE job in 2022 & yet here we are business as usual, with no changes. Don't be surprised if Loomis and co get LOWBALLED for SP. Loomis & Mrs. Benson will need to learn the hard way that continuity & stability doesn't sell tickets - winning does. It's the sad folks who keep pouring their hard-earned money and "moral support" into this "Just keep doing what you're doing" machine, that need to learn how to pull back, and become part of the solution. The bean counters do notice, when fans become disgruntled. Basically, that's the bottom line. K Major likes this.
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