Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff

cmike · 01-20-2023, 04:49 PM

Pete is taking a lot of heat for players not executing plays.
Yes, Carmichael made some head scratching calls throughout the season.
So, he’s not getting off the hook that easy.

saintsfan1976 · 01-20-2023, 04:50 PM

I think it's wise to wait until more moves (or lack of) have been made.

I'm trying not to get caught up in knee jerk reactions.

It's entirely possible another mind is brought on to learn Pete's system while Pete is on staff and then eventually take it to new levels.

That's my hope anyway.

halloween 65 · 01-20-2023, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have been thinking again about something that came to mind a few days ago. What if Payton is planning on taking Carmichael, and perhaps a few others, with him if he does indeed get a new gig? It would make sense that Loomis would cooperate with him by holding onto them instead of firing them straight out. There's no reason to blemish their resumes with a dismissal. Perhaps they wanted to move on from Roushar and Payton wasn't interested in him. Then it would be best for him to get released and get a start looking for work elsewhere.

It is a reason to blemish their resume. They didn't get the job done. Most ppl. I know get fired. If what you stated is true, more higher ups should get the pink also. Unreal.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I’m currently undecided about how I feel about Carmichael. He had basically back up qbs to work with and two rookies as our top two receivers for most of the season. We all know what he was capable of with a good qb so let’s go out and get him one and see what he can do. Going to a game can really allow you to see the whole field better and I can assure you, guys we’re getting open, just crappy qb play for the most part. Makes me feel like he can still be productive for game day. On the other hand, I’d like a fresh new mind that can bring in some new innovative ideas to fit the modern NFL. Enter Booby Slowik

Bingo! I was at every home game and we had open receivers all the time. Dalton was either making a single read/throwing it away, missing the receiver, or hitting the open guy and he just plain dropped it. Sure, Carmichael was what I thought too conservative on 1st and 2nd downs, but maybe he simply didn't have confidence in the QB.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by cmike

Pete is taking a lot of heat for players not executing plays.
Yes, Carmichael made some head scratching calls throughout the season.
So, he’s not getting off the hook that easy.

Exactly my thinking there, cmike.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

It is a reason to blemish their resume. They didn't get the job done. Most ppl. I know get fired. If what you stated is true, more higher ups should get the pink also. Unreal.

Players didn't get the job done either. Those 4th and 5th string QB's and backup offensive linemen killed more drives than any play called. That's for certain.

One other thing is I keep hearing coaches getting compared to people in other jobs. It's not like that at all. The coaching pool is relatively small, unlike other potential workers in other businesses. Like it or not they do look out for each. Always have and always will. You fire a guy today and you might be looking for a position with that guy two years from now. It is absolutely the way it is, like it or not.

halloween 65 · 01-20-2023, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Players didn't get the job done either. Those 4th and 5th string QB's and backup offensive linemen killed more drives than any play called. That's for certain.

Or more like when Brees was behind C he made Petes job easy. Now we see how good (bad) he is without a top tier qb. Brees played behind some sketchy lines and had success.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Or more like when Brees was behind C he made Petes job easy. Now we see how good (bad) he is without a top tier qb. Brees played behind some sketchy lines and had success.

He's also looked like crap his last two seasons with Payton calling plays. Have you forgot about that?

K Major · 01-20-2023, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

As a long time devoted Saint's Fan, NOTHING would give me more pleasure than being proven wrong about my perception of our current state of affairs.

I KNOW that you cannot say the same, and I understand why.

See post #61

.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 06:27 PM

01-20-2023, 04:49 PM	#81
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,427	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Pete is taking a lot of heat for players not executing plays. Yes, Carmichael made some head scratching calls throughout the season. So, he’s not getting off the hook that easy. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-20-2023, 04:50 PM	#82
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff I think it's wise to wait until more moves (or lack of) have been made. I'm trying not to get caught up in knee jerk reactions. It's entirely possible another mind is brought on to learn Pete's system while Pete is on staff and then eventually take it to new levels. That's my hope anyway. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-20-2023, 05:05 PM	#83
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have been thinking again about something that came to mind a few days ago. What if Payton is planning on taking Carmichael, and perhaps a few others, with him if he does indeed get a new gig? It would make sense that Loomis would cooperate with him by holding onto them instead of firing them straight out. There's no reason to blemish their resumes with a dismissal. Perhaps they wanted to move on from Roushar and Payton wasn't interested in him. Then it would be best for him to get released and get a start looking for work elsewhere. It is a reason to blemish their resume. They didn't get the job done. Most ppl. I know get fired. If what you stated is true, more higher ups should get the pink also. Unreal. Sinner and K Major like this.

01-20-2023, 05:13 PM	#84
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I’m currently undecided about how I feel about Carmichael. He had basically back up qbs to work with and two rookies as our top two receivers for most of the season. We all know what he was capable of with a good qb so let’s go out and get him one and see what he can do. Going to a game can really allow you to see the whole field better and I can assure you, guys we’re getting open, just crappy qb play for the most part. Makes me feel like he can still be productive for game day. On the other hand, I’d like a fresh new mind that can bring in some new innovative ideas to fit the modern NFL. Enter Booby Slowik Bingo! I was at every home game and we had open receivers all the time. Dalton was either making a single read/throwing it away, missing the receiver, or hitting the open guy and he just plain dropped it. Sure, Carmichael was what I thought too conservative on 1st and 2nd downs, but maybe he simply didn't have confidence in the QB.

01-20-2023, 05:14 PM	#85
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by cmike Pete is taking a lot of heat for players not executing plays. Yes, Carmichael made some head scratching calls throughout the season. So, he’s not getting off the hook that easy. Exactly my thinking there, cmike.

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01-20-2023, 05:16 PM	#86
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by halloween 65 It is a reason to blemish their resume. They didn't get the job done. Most ppl. I know get fired. If what you stated is true, more higher ups should get the pink also. Unreal. Players didn't get the job done either. Those 4th and 5th string QB's and backup offensive linemen killed more drives than any play called. That's for certain. One other thing is I keep hearing coaches getting compared to people in other jobs. It's not like that at all. The coaching pool is relatively small, unlike other potential workers in other businesses. Like it or not they do look out for each. Always have and always will. You fire a guy today and you might be looking for a position with that guy two years from now. It is absolutely the way it is, like it or not.
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01-20-2023, 05:20 PM	#87
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Players didn't get the job done either. Those 4th and 5th string QB's and backup offensive linemen killed more drives than any play called. That's for certain. Or more like when Brees was behind C he made Petes job easy. Now we see how good (bad) he is without a top tier qb. Brees played behind some sketchy lines and had success.

01-20-2023, 05:25 PM	#88
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by halloween 65 Or more like when Brees was behind C he made Petes job easy. Now we see how good (bad) he is without a top tier qb. Brees played behind some sketchy lines and had success. He's also looked like crap his last two seasons with Payton calling plays. Have you forgot about that?

01-20-2023, 05:35 PM	#89
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by Sinner As a long time devoted Saint's Fan, NOTHING would give me more pleasure than being proven wrong about my perception of our current state of affairs. I KNOW that you cannot say the same, and I understand why. See post #61 .

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