Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 02:13 PM

I have been thinking again about something that came to mind a few days ago. What if Payton is planning on taking Carmichael, and perhaps a few others, with him if he does indeed get a new gig? It would make sense that Loomis would cooperate with him by holding onto them instead of firing them straight out. There's no reason to blemish their resumes with a dismissal. Perhaps they wanted to move on from Roushar and Payton wasn't interested in him. Then it would be best for him to get released and get a start looking for work elsewhere.

FinSaint · 01-20-2023, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have been thinking again about something that came to mind a few days ago. What if Payton is planning on taking Carmichael, and perhaps a few others, with him if he does indeed get a new gig? It would make sense that Loomis would cooperate with him by holding onto them instead of firing them straight out. There's no reason to blemish their resumes with a dismissal. Perhaps they wanted to move on from Roushar and Payton wasn't interested in him. Then it would be best for him to get released and get a start looking for work elsewhere.

In that case I would say Loomis is not acting with the Saints' best intentions in mind, since playing it like that would cause them to lose out on promising candidates to replace those leaving.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

In that case I would say Loomis is not acting with the Saints' best intentions in mind, since playing it like that would cause them to lose out on promising candidates to replace those leaving.

Unless they already have someone in mind that they know will be there. Who knows.

halloween 65 · 01-20-2023, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have been thinking again about something that came to mind a few days ago. What if Payton is planning on taking Carmichael, and perhaps a few others, with him if he does indeed get a new gig? It would make sense that Loomis would cooperate with him by holding onto them instead of firing them straight out. There's no reason to blemish their resumes with a dismissal. Perhaps they wanted to move on from Roushar and Payton wasn't interested in him. Then it would be best for him to get released and get a start looking for work elsewhere.

It is a reason to blemish their resume. They didn't get the job done. Most ppl. I know get fired. If what you stated is true, more higher ups should get the pink also. Unreal.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

It is a reason to blemish their resume. They didn't get the job done. Most ppl. I know get fired. If what you stated is true, more higher ups should get the pink also. Unreal.

Players didn't get the job done either. Those 4th and 5th string QB's and backup offensive linemen killed more drives than any play called. That's for certain.

One other thing is I keep hearing coaches getting compared to people in other jobs. It's not like that at all. The coaching pool is relatively small, unlike other potential workers in other businesses. Like it or not they do look out for each. Always have and always will. You fire a guy today and you might be looking for a position with that guy two years from now. It is absolutely the way it is, like it or not.

halloween 65 · 01-20-2023, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Players didn't get the job done either. Those 4th and 5th string QB's and backup offensive linemen killed more drives than any play called. That's for certain.

Or more like when Brees was behind C he made Petes job easy. Now we see how good (bad) he is without a top tier qb. Brees played behind some sketchy lines and had success.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Or more like when Brees was behind C he made Petes job easy. Now we see how good (bad) he is without a top tier qb. Brees played behind some sketchy lines and had success.

He's also looked like crap his last two seasons with Payton calling plays. Have you forgot about that?

halloween 65 · 01-20-2023, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He's also looked like crap his last two seasons with Payton calling plays. Have you forgot about that?

Brees arm was the problem the last 2 years, that allowed D's to shorten up the box. Short to mids had to be defended.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2023, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Brees arm was the problem the last 2 years, that allowed D's to shorten up the box. Short to mids had to be defended.

Yup. Seeing the same thing with Dalton out there. We need some sort of threat at QB or Vince Lombardi himself wouldn't help.

01-20-2023, 02:13 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff I have been thinking again about something that came to mind a few days ago. What if Payton is planning on taking Carmichael, and perhaps a few others, with him if he does indeed get a new gig? It would make sense that Loomis would cooperate with him by holding onto them instead of firing them straight out. There's no reason to blemish their resumes with a dismissal. Perhaps they wanted to move on from Roushar and Payton wasn't interested in him. Then it would be best for him to get released and get a start looking for work elsewhere.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-20-2023, 02:53 PM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have been thinking again about something that came to mind a few days ago. What if Payton is planning on taking Carmichael, and perhaps a few others, with him if he does indeed get a new gig? It would make sense that Loomis would cooperate with him by holding onto them instead of firing them straight out. There's no reason to blemish their resumes with a dismissal. Perhaps they wanted to move on from Roushar and Payton wasn't interested in him. Then it would be best for him to get released and get a start looking for work elsewhere. In that case I would say Loomis is not acting with the Saints' best intentions in mind, since playing it like that would cause them to lose out on promising candidates to replace those leaving. Sinner and halloween 65 like this.

01-20-2023, 03:13 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by FinSaint In that case I would say Loomis is not acting with the Saints' best intentions in mind, since playing it like that would cause them to lose out on promising candidates to replace those leaving. Unless they already have someone in mind that they know will be there. Who knows.

01-20-2023, 04:05 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have been thinking again about something that came to mind a few days ago. What if Payton is planning on taking Carmichael, and perhaps a few others, with him if he does indeed get a new gig? It would make sense that Loomis would cooperate with him by holding onto them instead of firing them straight out. There's no reason to blemish their resumes with a dismissal. Perhaps they wanted to move on from Roushar and Payton wasn't interested in him. Then it would be best for him to get released and get a start looking for work elsewhere. It is a reason to blemish their resume. They didn't get the job done. Most ppl. I know get fired. If what you stated is true, more higher ups should get the pink also. Unreal. Sinner and K Major like this.

01-20-2023, 04:16 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by halloween 65 It is a reason to blemish their resume. They didn't get the job done. Most ppl. I know get fired. If what you stated is true, more higher ups should get the pink also. Unreal. Players didn't get the job done either. Those 4th and 5th string QB's and backup offensive linemen killed more drives than any play called. That's for certain. One other thing is I keep hearing coaches getting compared to people in other jobs. It's not like that at all. The coaching pool is relatively small, unlike other potential workers in other businesses. Like it or not they do look out for each. Always have and always will. You fire a guy today and you might be looking for a position with that guy two years from now. It is absolutely the way it is, like it or not.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-20-2023, 04:20 PM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Players didn't get the job done either. Those 4th and 5th string QB's and backup offensive linemen killed more drives than any play called. That's for certain. Or more like when Brees was behind C he made Petes job easy. Now we see how good (bad) he is without a top tier qb. Brees played behind some sketchy lines and had success.

01-20-2023, 04:25 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by halloween 65 Or more like when Brees was behind C he made Petes job easy. Now we see how good (bad) he is without a top tier qb. Brees played behind some sketchy lines and had success. He's also looked like crap his last two seasons with Payton calling plays. Have you forgot about that?

01-20-2023, 06:09 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He's also looked like crap his last two seasons with Payton calling plays. Have you forgot about that? Brees arm was the problem the last 2 years, that allowed D's to shorten up the box. Short to mids had to be defended. AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.

01-20-2023, 06:11 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints Retaining Carmichael and Rest of Staff Originally Posted by halloween 65 Brees arm was the problem the last 2 years, that allowed D's to shorten up the box. Short to mids had to be defended. Yup. Seeing the same thing with Dalton out there. We need some sort of threat at QB or Vince Lombardi himself wouldn't help.