What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?

BakoSaint · 03-04-2023, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Any free agent we get, QB or other position, isn't going to be much of a cap hit in 2023. Loomis can easily structure the deals so that the 2023 hits are minimal.

But what happens in 2024? What happens if that QB is a bust and has tons of guaranteed money and even their non-guaranteed money is effectively guaranteed because 'it's cheaper to keep them than cut them' because the 2024 cap hit will be $35 million but the dead money to cut will be $70 million.

We need to get younger. We need to fix the cap. The problem with the cap is not that we can't add one player we really need to add. The problem with the cap is that we are more than one player away, and we can't subtract cancers and dead weight that we really need to cut, because we can't afford to double the cap hit with a cut when we rely on halving it ever season with a restructure that makes the cap hit and dead money even bigger the next season.

My take is that Carr is a good but not great QB. Good but not great QBs often don't maintain their performance in the second half of their careers like many great QBs recently have. Carr to me is a Bledsoe, Brooks, Delhomme, Goff, Dalton, Hasselbeck, Jones, Wentz, Foles, Garappalo, Cousins, Smith, etc. Most of those guys made pro bowls. But many declined in the second half of their careers. At best I feel like Carr is a Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers type.

SmashMouth · 03-04-2023, 09:39 PM

NeauxFW... better broad jump and vertical jump than Mahomes.. in combine history?

Doesn't matter if he can't play QB. Maybe it matters for a WR?

K Major · 03-04-2023, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

NeauxFW... better broad jump and vertical jump than Mahomes.. in combine history?

Doesn't matter if he can't play QB. Maybe it matters for a WR?

Athletically gifted but his tape says he’s a project @ QB.

It only takes one team to believe in his talent but I don’t see 1st rd traits.

IMO Hooker is a much better prospect.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2023, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

NeauxFW... better broad jump and vertical jump than Mahomes.. in combine history?

Doesn't matter if he can't play QB. Maybe it matters for a WR?

People said exactly the same things about Lamar Jackson who earned a unanimous MVP at QB. Go figure.

dizzle88 · 03-05-2023, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

People said exactly the same things about Lamar Jackson who earned a unanimous MVP at QB. Go figure.

The difference being however that Lamar had stats to back himself up.

69 TD's to 27 interceptions in 3 years

Anthony Richardson has 24 TD's to 15 interceptions in 3 years.

I agree with what Rez said earlier, he should have stayed in college for 1 more year.

The combine to me is also not a great judge, athletically he is a beast, no doubt about it. But all the analysts are getting wowed about him throwing 60 yards downfield with no defender on the field, much like Jamarcus Russell could do.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2023, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The difference being however that Lamar had stats to back himself up.

69 TD's to 27 interceptions in 3 years

Anthony Richardson has 24 TD's to 15 interceptions in 3 years.

I agree with what Rez said earlier, he should have stayed in college for 1 more year.

The combine to me is also not a great judge, athletically he is a beast, no doubt about it. But all the analysts are getting wowed about him throwing 60 yards downfield with no defender on the field, much like Jamarcus Russell could do.

Yup. No telling. Never saw him play a snap. I was just commenting that I heard the exact same comments about Jackson of whom I had never seen play a snap.

K Major · 03-05-2023, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The difference being however that Lamar had stats to back himself up.

69 TD's to 27 interceptions in 3 years

Anthony Richardson has 24 TD's to 15 interceptions in 3 years.

I agree with what Rez said earlier, he should have stayed in college for 1 more year.

The combine to me is also not a great judge, athletically he is a beast, no doubt about it. But all the analysts are getting wowed about him throwing 60 yards downfield with no defender on the field, much like Jamarcus Russell could do.

So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker

?

subguy · 03-05-2023, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ?

Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks?

dizzle88 · 03-05-2023, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ?

If he's there and he's our guy, I wouldn't be annoyed.

60%+ completion percentage every year
Low int numbers and almost 30 passing TD's per season.

rezburna · 03-05-2023, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ?

Unequivocally.

03-04-2023, 01:36 PM	#261
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,779	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Any free agent we get, QB or other position, isn't going to be much of a cap hit in 2023. Loomis can easily structure the deals so that the 2023 hits are minimal. But what happens in 2024? What happens if that QB is a bust and has tons of guaranteed money and even their non-guaranteed money is effectively guaranteed because 'it's cheaper to keep them than cut them' because the 2024 cap hit will be $35 million but the dead money to cut will be $70 million. We need to get younger. We need to fix the cap. The problem with the cap is not that we can't add one player we really need to add. The problem with the cap is that we are more than one player away, and we can't subtract cancers and dead weight that we really need to cut, because we can't afford to double the cap hit with a cut when we rely on halving it ever season with a restructure that makes the cap hit and dead money even bigger the next season. My take is that Carr is a good but not great QB. Good but not great QBs often don't maintain their performance in the second half of their careers like many great QBs recently have. Carr to me is a Bledsoe, Brooks, Delhomme, Goff, Dalton, Hasselbeck, Jones, Wentz, Foles, Garappalo, Cousins, Smith, etc. Most of those guys made pro bowls. But many declined in the second half of their careers. At best I feel like Carr is a Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Philip Rivers type. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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03-04-2023, 09:39 PM	#262
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,190 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? NeauxFW... better broad jump and vertical jump than Mahomes.. in combine history? Doesn't matter if he can't play QB. Maybe it matters for a WR?

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,079 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth NeauxFW... better broad jump and vertical jump than Mahomes.. in combine history? Doesn't matter if he can't play QB. Maybe it matters for a WR? Athletically gifted but his tape says he’s a project @ QB. It only takes one team to believe in his talent but I don’t see 1st rd traits. IMO Hooker is a much better prospect. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,484	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth NeauxFW... better broad jump and vertical jump than Mahomes.. in combine history? Doesn't matter if he can't play QB. Maybe it matters for a WR? People said exactly the same things about Lamar Jackson who earned a unanimous MVP at QB. Go figure.

03-05-2023, 09:33 AM	#265
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido People said exactly the same things about Lamar Jackson who earned a unanimous MVP at QB. Go figure. The difference being however that Lamar had stats to back himself up. 69 TD's to 27 interceptions in 3 years Anthony Richardson has 24 TD's to 15 interceptions in 3 years. I agree with what Rez said earlier, he should have stayed in college for 1 more year. The combine to me is also not a great judge, athletically he is a beast, no doubt about it. But all the analysts are getting wowed about him throwing 60 yards downfield with no defender on the field, much like Jamarcus Russell could do. SmashMouth and K Major like this.

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03-05-2023, 09:38 AM	#266
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,484	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by dizzle88 The difference being however that Lamar had stats to back himself up. 69 TD's to 27 interceptions in 3 years Anthony Richardson has 24 TD's to 15 interceptions in 3 years. I agree with what Rez said earlier, he should have stayed in college for 1 more year. The combine to me is also not a great judge, athletically he is a beast, no doubt about it. But all the analysts are getting wowed about him throwing 60 yards downfield with no defender on the field, much like Jamarcus Russell could do. Yup. No telling. Never saw him play a snap. I was just commenting that I heard the exact same comments about Jackson of whom I had never seen play a snap. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,079 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by dizzle88 The difference being however that Lamar had stats to back himself up. 69 TD's to 27 interceptions in 3 years Anthony Richardson has 24 TD's to 15 interceptions in 3 years. I agree with what Rez said earlier, he should have stayed in college for 1 more year. The combine to me is also not a great judge, athletically he is a beast, no doubt about it. But all the analysts are getting wowed about him throwing 60 yards downfield with no defender on the field, much like Jamarcus Russell could do. So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ? SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and dizzle88 like this.

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subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,058	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by K Major So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ? Maybe, I guees no problem with his injury? What other draft candidates might we have a shot for, without giving away our picks?

03-05-2023, 11:04 AM	#269
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by K Major So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ? If he's there and he's our guy, I wouldn't be annoyed. 60%+ completion percentage every year Low int numbers and almost 30 passing TD's per season. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,683	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by K Major So what you're saying is that the Saints should draft Hooker ? Unequivocally. K Major likes this.