What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2023, 03:50 PM

Not a fan, but ...

SmashMouth · 02-22-2023, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not a fan, but ...

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...04475303350272

Coach KMajor has already ruled on the matter, long ago... it's old news now.

It's just Underhill trying to generate clicks for his paid content... so he can pay Triplett his salary. Maybe Underhill is lurking BnG for new stories?

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2023, 05:46 PM

Consider this.

Rugby Saint II · 02-23-2023, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Consider this.

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/st...38829689368578

But were they in cap Hell as well?

SmashMouth · 02-23-2023, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Consider this.

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/st...38829689368578

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

But were they in cap Hell as well?

Dude gives no reason or valid argument... just says it's crap. WTF.

Brees cap busting compensation definitely handcuffed the Saints for many years. Cap is way bigger now which makes it easier. However, the push to pay average QB absurd $ is just that, absurd and crazy, even if one tries to say "it is what it is" !

I may be wrong, but I think a shift has already begun to change/alter the percentage make up of teams on how compensation is handled for all position groups.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2023, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Dude gives no reason or valid argument... just says it's crap. WTF.

Brees cap busting compensation definitely handcuffed the Saints for many years. Cap is way bigger now which makes it easier. However, the push to pay average QB absurd $ is just that, absurd and crazy, even if one tries to say "it is what it is" !

I may be wrong, but I think a shift has already begun to change/alter the percentage make up of teams on how compensation is handled for all position groups.

More and more teams are shifting to the Saints model of contract construction. Mahomes ten year deal is structured with huge roster bonuses every year which are designed to be converted to signing bonuses and prorated annually. In other words, kicking that can down the road as some that do not understand the principle commonly call it.

YEAR		AGE	BASE SALARY	SIGNING	ROSTER	WORKOUT	RESTRUCTURE	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2020	Contract details by year	25	$825,000	$4,521,508	-	-	-	$5,346,508	$64,953,413
$10,926,636
($10,926,636)
2021	Contract details by year	26	$990,000	$2,000,000	-	$100,000	$4,343,381	$7,433,381	$99,506,905
$22,806,905
($33,733,541)
2022	Contract details by year	27	$1,500,000	$2,000,000	$27,400,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$35,793,381	$130,673,524
$31,950,000
($65,683,541)
2023	Contract details by year	28	$5,500,000	$2,000,000	$34,400,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$46,793,381	$94,880,143
$40,450,000
($106,133,541)
2024	Contract details by year	29	$2,500,000	$2,000,000	$34,900,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$44,293,381	$48,636,762
$37,950,000
($144,083,541)
2025	Contract details by year	30	$2,500,000	-	$38,900,000	$550,000	$4,343,381	$46,293,381	$4,343,381
$41,950,000
($186,033,541)
2026	Contract details by year	31	$2,500,000	-	$38,900,000	$550,000	-	$41,950,000	-
$41,950,000
($227,983,541)
2027	Contract details by year	32	$10,000,000	-	$49,400,000	$550,000	-	$59,950,000	-
$59,950,000
($287,933,541)
2028	Contract details by year	33	$13,000,000	-	$30,900,000	$550,000	-	$44,450,000	-
$44,450,000
($332,383,541)
2029	Contract details by year	34	$20,500,000	-	$23,900,000	$550,000	-	$44,950,000	-
$44,950,000
($377,333,541)
2030	Contract details by year	35	$27,000,000	-	$22,900,000	$550,000	-	$50,450,000	-
$50,450,000
($427,783,541)
2031	Contract details by year	36	$38,000,000	-	$13,900,000	$550,000	-	$52,450,000	-
$52,450,000
($480,233,541)
2032	Free Agent Year	37
UFA

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2023, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

But were they in cap Hell as well?

Actually, all three are in cap related hell by some person's definition, Rugs.

Tampa Bay 2020-21 Champs with Brady - currently most over the cap
Rams 2021-22 Champs with Stafford - purged most of their talent
Chiefs 2022-23 Champs with Mahomes - QB counts $49.763 million against the 2023 cap - $98.83 million dead cap number - Only $526K in 2023 cap space curently

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,096 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not a fan, but ... https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...04475303350272 Coach KMajor has already ruled on the matter, long ago... it's old news now. It's just Underhill trying to generate clicks for his paid content... so he can pay Triplett his salary. Maybe Underhill is lurking BnG for new stories?

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Consider this. https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/st...38829689368578 But were they in cap Hell as well?

02-23-2023, 10:17 AM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,096 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Consider this. https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/st...38829689368578 Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II But were they in cap Hell as well? Dude gives no reason or valid argument... just says it's crap. WTF. Brees cap busting compensation definitely handcuffed the Saints for many years. Cap is way bigger now which makes it easier. However, the push to pay average QB absurd $ is just that, absurd and crazy, even if one tries to say "it is what it is" ! I may be wrong, but I think a shift has already begun to change/alter the percentage make up of teams on how compensation is handled for all position groups.

02-23-2023, 10:47 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,819	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II But were they in cap Hell as well? Actually, all three are in cap related hell by some person's definition, Rugs. Tampa Bay 2020-21 Champs with Brady - currently most over the cap Rams 2021-22 Champs with Stafford - purged most of their talent Chiefs 2022-23 Champs with Mahomes - QB counts $49.763 million against the 2023 cap - $98.83 million dead cap number - Only $526K in 2023 cap space curently