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neugey 02-02-2023 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 968948)
Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working.

Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point?

Spurs tank for Tim Duncan. But that one was a little different, since David Robinson was hurt for a long period of time and I think they made a business decision not to bring him back due to the bad record incurred.

K Major 02-02-2023 10:07 AM
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Tanking in the NFL is a myth.

Drafting #1 doesn't really change the culture or your team (maybe Cincy as the exception). Selecting a player top 1-3 in the draft has a ton of "misses" than "hits" over the last two decades. Simply a shot in the dark. You could end up with a Jamarcus Russell just as easily as a Joe Burrow.

You still need to draft the right guy & most teams don't.

My .02.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 10:08 AM
Re: Tanking 2023 Season
 
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 968948)
Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working.

Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point?
The only way a team can tank is if it happens from the top. There isn't a player or coach that is going to do anything but try to win every game. The only way a team could ever tank would be for the GM and/or owner to dump all of the quality players from the roster. And what does that accomplish? You get some good draft picks, but you are stuck with an otherwise horrible roster. That's why it would never work in a sport with a 53 man roster. Now the NBA with a very limited roster and lineup, yes, that is a possibility.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 10:11 AM
Re: Tanking 2023 Season
 
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 968951)
Spurs tank for Tim Duncan. But that one was a little different, since David Robinson was hurt for a long period of time and I think they made a business decision not to bring him back due to the bad record incurred.
Yup. That's the point I was just making. The NBA is a five player game. Not a game like the NFL where you have no fewer than 30 players (offense, defense, special teams) trying their best to win.

SmashMouth 02-02-2023 10:12 AM
Re: Tanking 2023 Season
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 968957)
Tanking in the NFL is a myth.

Drafting #1 doesn't really change the culture or your team (maybe Cincy as the exception). Selecting a player top 1-3 in the draft has a ton of "misses" than "hits" over the last two decades. Simply a shot in the dark. You could end up with a Jamarcus Russell just as easily as a Joe Burrow.

You still need to draft the right guy & most teams don't.

My .02.

I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks.

AsylumGuido 02-02-2023 10:15 AM
Re: Tanking 2023 Season
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968962)
I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks.
Zach Wilson? ;)

K Major 02-02-2023 02:57 PM
Re: Tanking 2023 Season
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 968962)
I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks.
Hmm, I don't know about that one.

Taco Charlton, Kevin White, Haskins (R.I.P), Rosen, Trubisky or your guy Mr. 2.8 QBR Sam Darnold. Zach Wilson still has time but he's trending as a bust of a QB.

Jury is still out on Trey Lance too.

AsylumGuido 02-22-2023 11:31 AM
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Rugby Saint II 02-22-2023 11:48 AM
Re: Tanking 2023 Season
 
You never know, we could be good in 2023 but I'm not going to hold my breath.

papz 02-22-2023 12:11 PM
Re: Tanking 2023 Season
 
I don't have any interest in not trying to win games. That's not how you develop players, team players. That's not how you create a winning culture. Does anyone here want us to purposely lose games? I highly doubt it. With that said, we do need to be realistic about what we're capable of and plan accordingly. Just because there are folks here who want a reset, that doesn't mean they want us to not play hard and lose on purpose. Let's just not make stupid decision that will handicap us longterm thinking we are something we're not. There's a middle area that quite a lot of people sit in between the doomsday folks and the sunshine pumpers. It doesn't have to be one or the other.


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