Tanking 2023 Season
 

Should the Saints tank the season for a super high draft pick in 2024?

Will they need to since DA is still in charge?

Does the weakest division in football negate that possibility?

None of the four teams have an established starting caliber QB.

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I hate tanking. Then you get good young talent with a bad culture. That s**t follows you around.

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There's not a coach or player that gives a crap about draft picks to the point of tanking. That subject has been clarified ad nauseum.

I believe some are putting far too much blame on Allen for a seven win season. I would be very surprised if we didn't exceed that total this coming season.

And, yes, that weak division gives us an excellent chance at winning the division, as does our third place schedule.

And, yes, QB will be vital to that success. I can't wait until free agency gets underway. Or do we run a healthy Winston out there and beef up other positions through free agency?

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Yup. That's why tanking doesn't work.

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Smash, don't worry about this. As long as Allen is the HC we should be in the top 6 on a 1st rounder next season.
That is unless that idiot Loomy does a 2fer deal again this year.

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Allen stays, Carmichael stays, Ryan Nielsen leaves for Atlanta, no relevant firings after a dismal 7-10 regular season ...
losing to Carolina should have been the end of Dennis Allen's tenure (currently has the WORST winning % of any coach in the NFC south) as head coach of the New Orleans Saints.

And oh, we have no starting caliber QB on the roster.

Be prepared to run it back, "keep doing what you're doing" this season.

Lol, you won't have to "tank". 2023 is going to be rough folks.

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Never.
Never EVER.

Also, this will likely be the last year for a few studs who gave all they had during their tenure with the Saints. I'd hate to see Cam and DeMario go out like that.

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Raiders fixing to cut QB Carr, reportedly. Is he worth bringing in, or do we stick with Winston and a rookie?

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My guess is that Dennis Allen brings in a veteran quarterback to try and save his job. If he brings in a rookie and has another seven and nine season the front office may have a reason to hold on to him and see if that quarterback develops. It would be unfortunate because that would be another year with Dennis Allen calling the shots. He is much too passive to lead men.

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Don’t worry about tanking. It’ll happen naturally because we’re gonna suck!!!

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I don't think a team should ever tank on purpose. Losing on purpose does irreparable harm to a teams culture. However, I think we should focus on purging bad contracts of aging, injury prone, and suspension prone players no matter how big the cap hit and even if they might have a year or two left of good production. I don't think we have a reasonable chance to win a championship in 2023 with our aging players. So I would be more excited and get more enjoyment watching a team of young scrappy underdogs giving it their all to make names for themselves. Maybe lower floor on their production, probably no guarantees, but a lot more upside long term to bringing in the next generation. I don't want Derek Carr. 9-8 with the highest cap problems going into 2024 would not be a ring. So I say don't tank, but do put the season on younger shoulders and try to find more diamonds in the rough like Shaheed or the next Brock Purdy. Underdogs can surprise you and maybe we could go 9-8 and have a clean cap for 2024 and all our draft picks. Or maybe the young underdogs would be the next Ian Books and Adam Troutman's and we lose a lot of games. Put it on the table with young talent and see what happens is what I say. Don't seek out costly veteran band aids like Derek Carr to try to make safer bets to scrape out 9-8. I don't want to watch that. It's not exciting.

We only shut out one team in 2022. That teams QB was Derek Carr. Then Carr got benched. Tanking is bad enough. In my opinion bringing in Carr would amount to stretching our salary cap in order to tank. Lets stay away from Carr and Ryan and not pay to lose games.

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Stirring the hell out of that crawfish pot aren't you Smash lol

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A 3-14 season is needed to all but guarantee finding QB1 in loaded ‘24 class.

It's only four more losses.

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How far we’ve fallen.

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If the roster were filled truly team players they would all go on strike to make this even more of shot @ the '24 #1

What trade compensation could we get for DA? 😂

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I take it you are referring to the fanbase, no?

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No to tanking. That type of culture takes forever to get rid of. I am concerned about the direction this team is going and what the plan is going to be. The defense was good but there has been alot of turnover there. The O was horrible, but nothing has changed coaching wise. Here's hoping we change Carmichael position to something else and we bring in a new OC.

I don't have much hope for this year and I absolutely don't believe in DA. His track record proves he is not a good head coach, but I will still watch every game and support my team.

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I'm more concerned with the QB situation and the patchwork offensive line from last season. True, the playcalling was too conservative for my taste, but I am wanting to see what we do in free agency and the draft before trying to make any real judgements about 2023. I could see wide open receivers all season long from the stands and Dalton wouldn't or couldn't get them the ball. He needs to go.

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This falls in line with what I was just saying.

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Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working.

Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point?

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Spurs tank for Tim Duncan. But that one was a little different, since David Robinson was hurt for a long period of time and I think they made a business decision not to bring him back due to the bad record incurred.

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Tanking in the NFL is a myth.

Drafting #1 doesn't really change the culture or your team (maybe Cincy as the exception). Selecting a player top 1-3 in the draft has a ton of "misses" than "hits" over the last two decades. Simply a shot in the dark. You could end up with a Jamarcus Russell just as easily as a Joe Burrow.

You still need to draft the right guy & most teams don't.

My .02.

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The only way a team can tank is if it happens from the top. There isn't a player or coach that is going to do anything but try to win every game. The only way a team could ever tank would be for the GM and/or owner to dump all of the quality players from the roster. And what does that accomplish? You get some good draft picks, but you are stuck with an otherwise horrible roster. That's why it would never work in a sport with a 53 man roster. Now the NBA with a very limited roster and lineup, yes, that is a possibility.

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Yup. That's the point I was just making. The NBA is a five player game. Not a game like the NFL where you have no fewer than 30 players (offense, defense, special teams) trying their best to win.

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I could be wrong, but methinks it's harder to draft a bust today than yesteryear in the very early first round picks. The stakes are so high now, teams do a better job of due diligence on those early picks.

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Zach Wilson? ;)

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Hmm, I don't know about that one.

Taco Charlton, Kevin White, Haskins (R.I.P), Rosen, Trubisky or your guy Mr. 2.8 QBR Sam Darnold. Zach Wilson still has time but he's trending as a bust of a QB.

Jury is still out on Trey Lance too.

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You never know, we could be good in 2023 but I'm not going to hold my breath.

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I don't have any interest in not trying to win games. That's not how you develop players, team players. That's not how you create a winning culture. Does anyone here want us to purposely lose games? I highly doubt it. With that said, we do need to be realistic about what we're capable of and plan accordingly. Just because there are folks here who want a reset, that doesn't mean they want us to not play hard and lose on purpose. Let's just not make stupid decision that will handicap us longterm thinking we are something we're not. There's a middle area that quite a lot of people sit in between the doomsday folks and the sunshine pumpers. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

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Is that what Cincy did, I wonder, with the prospect of drafting BDJ with the first pick of the draft?

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We don't need to tank the 2023 season with Dennis Allen as the head coach to get a good draft pick. History shows the Saints under Dennis Allen will be picking high in the draft again.

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Why even play the games, right? We are destined to suck.

Come on, Rugs. You're sounding as defeatist as some of these other doom and gloomers. :D

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They did tank. It certainly can work but losing on purpose is a tough pill to swallow. If Burrow turned out to be Zach Wilson, well... Lucky for them, Burrow was a seasoned, mature leader who know what it took to win. You tank and land a true franchise quarterback, no one will ever second guess the decision. You've got to be real confident in that '24 class and you've got to be damn sure you're going to land your guy.

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Actually, no I am not into gloom and doom. I am a realist who sees no future with Dennis Allen running the team. He has no spark. He has no fire. Sean Payton had both, as well as a winning record. Sean Payton is a General and Dennis Allen is a lieutenant. I have no faith in Dennis Allen and it looks like most fans do not.

I hope when and if the season turns sour that you began to think that you may have been an apologist for him. If he wins great and congratulations. If not, it looks like the fans may be right after all. Last year the fans were not happy with the crappy play calling. Yes, I understand we had a backup quarterback and backups across the offensive line, but still a good coach would have been able to get more out of his team. He just doesn't motivate a team efficiently. Now, Sean Payton knew how to motivate a team to win.

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I never claimed he was a Sean Payton, Rugs. Nor have I claimed he was even a good head coach. But I also don't believe he is a total clueless idiot that cannot discern between sh!t and Shinola like some over the top fans believe. I pretty positive he knows more about running an NFL team than they could learn in a lifetime.

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Right, you never claimed he was a good coach or that he was Sean Payton. The majority of Saints fans and National media are pushing the opinion that he is a total clueless idiot. I just happen to be one of them. Disappoint me once shame on you. Disappoint me twice shame on me.

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I don't believe for a minute that the "majority of Saints fans" think that Dennis Allen is a clueless idiot. Perhaps a very vocal small minority. And for an absolute fact the national media hasn't given that impression at all. The vast majority of Saints fans don't care at all who's coaching or what their history may happen to be. They only hope when the season begins that the Saints will win their games. They'll be there in the stands or in front of their screens watching and having fun. The vast majority of fans leave the constant criticism to that very vocal small minority.

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The problem is that Dennis Allen does not Inspire confidence with his record, his leadership skills, or his play calling ability on offense, I don't follow football outside of the New Orleans Saints, but when the media talks about the Saints I have never heard Dennis Allen receive a compliment other than being a good defensive coordinator. Mostly, people are talking about his record and how he was handed A well-stocked thing that failed.

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This is my point. No starting caliber qb but yet we won 7 games and were in many more. Just imagine if we get someone who can deliver the ball