Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023

papz · 02-23-2023, 02:42 PM

Kaden Elliss is an underrated New Orleans Saints free agent, having broken out in 2022 with career-highs in defensive snaps played (632), quarterback pressures (20, 8 of them sacks per Pro Football Focus charting), and tackles (45), along with a pair of fumbles.

The veteran linebacker has been a top special teams player for the Saints ever since they drafted him out of Idaho back in 2019, and now the former sixth-round pick is looking to establish himself as a starter — somewhere around the league.

“I’d love to be back,” Elliss told The Spun’s Chris Rosvoglou. “They’ve made it clear they want me back. It’ll come down to the numbers and scheme. We’ll cross that bridge when we get there.”

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SmashMouth · 02-23-2023, 02:51 PM

Translation... he ain't coming back.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2023, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Translation... he ain't coming back.

It would be foolish to pay him starter money if the scheme dictates he is only playing special teams and backing up Werner. He knows he can start elsewhere and make that coin.

dizzle88 · 02-23-2023, 03:46 PM

I may be alone here, but why is Elliss sounding like he thinks he's owed the world after playing pretty well for 1 season since 2019?

Don't get me wrong I'd like to keep him, but let's not forget this is the first time he's made anything above a minimal impact in 4 years.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2023, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I may be alone here, but why is Elliss sounding like he thinks he's owed the world after playing pretty well for 1 season since 2019?

Don't get me wrong I'd like to keep him, but let's not forget this is the first time he's made anything above a minimal impact in 4 years.

It's also the first time he's seen extended time as a starter with Werner's injury. He's selling himself to the market. Pretty sure it's being prompted by his agent. This will be his only second contract. Rarely do players last much beyond the first. He needs to get as much as he can while he still can. I wish him luck.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2023, 04:35 PM

Speaking of LB's, Bobby Wagner was just released by the Rams.

rezburna · 02-24-2023, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Speaking of LB's, Bobby Wagner was just released by the Rams.

I like it.

halloween 65 · 02-24-2023, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Speaking of LB's, Bobby Wagner was just released by the Rams.

I would pay Ellis before I pay Wagner. I like Wagner but he's not the player he was with the Seahawks. Ellis is younger and should be as cheap or cheaper.

AsylumGuido · 02-24-2023, 11:45 AM

Once again, I hope we can keep Elliss, but it's not going to be about the money. The key is playing time. If he gets an offer elsewhere as a three down backer this season he's gone.

BakoSaint · 02-23-2023, 09:05 PM

‘We don’t plan to use him, he doesn’t fit our scheme’ is code for ‘he is going to be one of the two or more key players we lose this offseason due to Loomis’ mismanagement of the cap.’ If he just didnt fit our scheme we would replace him with a player who is as young and as good and costs as much and just better fits or scheme. Instead we will just watch him walk and sign some fading old veteran to a long term backloaded contract because thats all we can afford. And thats all we can afford because all our miney is locked up in old players we signed to long term backloaded contracts a few years ago because that was all we could afford then.

02-23-2023, 02:42 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,698	Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Kaden Elliss is an underrated New Orleans Saints free agent, having broken out in 2022 with career-highs in defensive snaps played (632), quarterback pressures (20, 8 of them sacks per Pro Football Focus charting), and tackles (45), along with a pair of fumbles. The veteran linebacker has been a top special teams player for the Saints ever since they drafted him out of Idaho back in 2019, and now the former sixth-round pick is looking to establish himself as a starter — somewhere around the league. “I’d love to be back,” Elliss told The Spun’s Chris Rosvoglou. “They’ve made it clear they want me back. It’ll come down to the numbers and scheme. We’ll cross that bridge when we get there.” Read more iceshack149 likes this.
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02-23-2023, 02:51 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,190 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Translation... he ain't coming back. iceshack149 and Rugby Saint II like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,481	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by SmashMouth Translation... he ain't coming back. It would be foolish to pay him starter money if the scheme dictates he is only playing special teams and backing up Werner. He knows he can start elsewhere and make that coin.

02-23-2023, 03:46 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 I may be alone here, but why is Elliss sounding like he thinks he's owed the world after playing pretty well for 1 season since 2019? Don't get me wrong I'd like to keep him, but let's not forget this is the first time he's made anything above a minimal impact in 4 years. SmashMouth likes this.

02-23-2023, 03:58 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,481	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by dizzle88 I may be alone here, but why is Elliss sounding like he thinks he's owed the world after playing pretty well for 1 season since 2019? Don't get me wrong I'd like to keep him, but let's not forget this is the first time he's made anything above a minimal impact in 4 years. It's also the first time he's seen extended time as a starter with Werner's injury. He's selling himself to the market. Pretty sure it's being prompted by his agent. This will be his only second contract. Rarely do players last much beyond the first. He needs to get as much as he can while he still can. I wish him luck.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,481	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Speaking of LB's, Bobby Wagner was just released by the Rams.

02-24-2023, 08:10 AM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,683	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Speaking of LB's, Bobby Wagner was just released by the Rams. I like it.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Speaking of LB's, Bobby Wagner was just released by the Rams. I would pay Ellis before I pay Wagner. I like Wagner but he's not the player he was with the Seahawks. Ellis is younger and should be as cheap or cheaper. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,481	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 Once again, I hope we can keep Elliss, but it's not going to be about the money. The key is playing time. If he gets an offer elsewhere as a three down backer this season he's gone.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,779	Re: Kaden Elliss says 'numbers and scheme' will determine return to Saints in 2023 ‘We don’t plan to use him, he doesn’t fit our scheme’ is code for ‘he is going to be one of the two or more key players we lose this offseason due to Loomis’ mismanagement of the cap.’ If he just didnt fit our scheme we would replace him with a player who is as young and as good and costs as much and just better fits or scheme. Instead we will just watch him walk and sign some fading old veteran to a long term backloaded contract because thats all we can afford. And thats all we can afford because all our miney is locked up in old players we signed to long term backloaded contracts a few years ago because that was all we could afford then. MatthewT and Rugby Saint II like this.
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