5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history

AsylumGuido · 03-01-2023, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Ditka didn't have any stability at QB, Heath Shuler was brought in to replace Jim Everett, just a horrible decision, and it never got better from there. I think in all 3 seasons under Ditka they started 4 different QB's each season.

You are correct. Shuler, Hobert, Wuerffel, Nussmeier, Tolliver, Collins, and Delhomme in various combinations.

SmashMouth · 03-01-2023, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yup. Just like the Patriots was Bill Belichick's second time around after compiling a losing record with a dysfunctional franchise in his first attempt at head coach. He went 5-11 his first season with the Patriots. If I remember correctly, the fans were wanting him fired after that season and were labeling him as incompetent. Sound familiar?

So are you saying we are now to expect 6 SB appearances since he's following BB's footsteps?

AsylumGuido · 03-01-2023, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So are you saying we are now to expect 6 SB appearances since he's following BB's footsteps?

Not necessarily. No more than we should expect him to fail miserably. Maybe he also lucks into a 6th round hall of fame QB. It has happened before.

K Major · 03-01-2023, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So are you saying we are now to expect 6 SB appearances since he's following BB's footsteps?

John Siegler and a few here are the ones who are "short-sighted".

Dennis Allen will go down as one of the worst head coaches in Raiders history & he's been a dud in New Orleans thus far.

And the comparisons by some with Bill B & Ditka are silly.

Bill B won 31 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Mike Ditka won 36 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Dennis Allen has won 15 games in 4 seasons (3.5 in Oakland) & 1 season in NOLA. Not to mention walking into NO with a talented roster in 2021/22.

But some of ya'll keep gloating over Allen, making excuses on a man who has ultimately had very little success as Head Coach with two different organizations

Sinner · 03-01-2023, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

John Siegler and a few here are the ones who are "short-sighted".

Dennis Allen will go down as one of the worst head coaches in Raiders history & he's been a dud in New Orleans thus far.

And the comparisons by some with Bill B & Ditka are silly.

Bill B won 31 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Mike Ditka won 36 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Dennis Allen has won 15 games in 4 seasons (3.5 in Oakland) & 1 season in NOLA. Not to mention walking into NO with a talented roster in 2021/22.

But some of ya'll keep gloating over Allen, making excuses on a man who has ultimately had very little success as Head Coach with two different organizations

See this ^^^ right here? EXACTLY. THANK YOU.

Rugby Saint II · 03-02-2023, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

John Siegler and a few here are the ones who are "short-sighted".

Dennis Allen will go down as one of the worst head coaches in Raiders history & he's been a dud in New Orleans thus far.

And the comparisons by some with Bill B & Ditka are silly.

Bill B won 31 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Mike Ditka won 36 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons.
Dennis Allen has won 15 games in 4 seasons (3.5 in Oakland) & 1 season in NOLA. Not to mention walking into NO with a talented roster in 2021/22.

But some of ya'll keep gloating over Allen, making excuses on a man who has ultimately had very little success as Head Coach with two different organizations

Dennis Allen is a good DC when he has top draft picks to make his defensive scheme work but he is not a good head coach. His leadership skills are limited and it shows with how sloppy the team was last year. He's got another year

to keep doing what he's doing. Maybe he pulls a BB and gets it together. We'll see.

AsylumGuido · 03-02-2023, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Dennis Allen is a good DC when he has top draft picks to make his defensive scheme work but he is not a good head coach. His leadership skills are limited and it shows with how sloppy the team was last year. He's got another year to keep doing what he's doing. Maybe he pulls a BB and gets it together. We'll see.

If Dennis Allen was going "to keep doing what he's doing" then why did he replace virtually the whole coaching staff? Why is he pursuing Derek Carr so vehemently if he's just going "to keep doing what he's doing"? Legitimate questions, I believe, don't you, Rugs?

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: 5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history Originally Posted by MatthewT Ditka didn't have any stability at QB, Heath Shuler was brought in to replace Jim Everett, just a horrible decision, and it never got better from there. I think in all 3 seasons under Ditka they started 4 different QB's each season. You are correct. Shuler, Hobert, Wuerffel, Nussmeier, Tolliver, Collins, and Delhomme in various combinations.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,069 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yup. Just like the Patriots was Bill Belichick's second time around after compiling a losing record with a dysfunctional franchise in his first attempt at head coach. He went 5-11 his first season with the Patriots. If I remember correctly, the fans were wanting him fired after that season and were labeling him as incompetent. Sound familiar? So are you saying we are now to expect 6 SB appearances since he's following BB's footsteps? K Major likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: 5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history Originally Posted by SmashMouth So are you saying we are now to expect 6 SB appearances since he's following BB's footsteps? Not necessarily. No more than we should expect him to fail miserably. Maybe he also lucks into a 6th round hall of fame QB. It has happened before.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,060 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history Originally Posted by SmashMouth So are you saying we are now to expect 6 SB appearances since he's following BB's footsteps? John Siegler and a few here are the ones who are "short-sighted". Dennis Allen will go down as one of the worst head coaches in Raiders history & he's been a dud in New Orleans thus far. And the comparisons by some with Bill B & Ditka are silly. Bill B won 31 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons. Mike Ditka won 36 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons. Dennis Allen has won 15 games in 4 seasons (3.5 in Oakland) & 1 season in NOLA. Not to mention walking into NO with a talented roster in 2021/22. But some of ya'll keep gloating over Allen, making excuses on a man who has ultimately had very little success as Head Coach with two different organizations subguy, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: 5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history Originally Posted by K Major John Siegler and a few here are the ones who are "short-sighted". Dennis Allen will go down as one of the worst head coaches in Raiders history & he's been a dud in New Orleans thus far. And the comparisons by some with Bill B & Ditka are silly. Bill B won 31 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons. Mike Ditka won 36 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons. Dennis Allen has won 15 games in 4 seasons (3.5 in Oakland) & 1 season in NOLA. Not to mention walking into NO with a talented roster in 2021/22. But some of ya'll keep gloating over Allen, making excuses on a man who has ultimately had very little success as Head Coach with two different organizations See this ^^^ right here? EXACTLY. THANK YOU. subguy likes this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: 5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history Originally Posted by K Major John Siegler and a few here are the ones who are "short-sighted". Dennis Allen will go down as one of the worst head coaches in Raiders history & he's been a dud in New Orleans thus far. And the comparisons by some with Bill B & Ditka are silly. Bill B won 31 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons. Mike Ditka won 36 games as a NEW HEAD COACH in 4 seasons. Dennis Allen has won 15 games in 4 seasons (3.5 in Oakland) & 1 season in NOLA. Not to mention walking into NO with a talented roster in 2021/22. But some of ya'll keep gloating over Allen, making excuses on a man who has ultimately had very little success as Head Coach with two different organizations Dennis Allen is a good DC when he has top draft picks to make his defensive scheme work but he is not a good head coach. His leadership skills are limited and it shows with how sloppy the team was last year. He's got another year to keep doing what he's doing. Maybe he pulls a BB and gets it together. We'll see.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: 5 worst head coaches in New Orleans Saints franchise history Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Dennis Allen is a good DC when he has top draft picks to make his defensive scheme work but he is not a good head coach. His leadership skills are limited and it shows with how sloppy the team was last year. He's got another year to keep doing what he's doing. Maybe he pulls a BB and gets it together. We'll see. If Dennis Allen was going "to keep doing what he's doing" then why did he replace virtually the whole coaching staff? Why is he pursuing Derek Carr so vehemently if he's just going "to keep doing what he's doing"? Legitimate questions, I believe, don't you, Rugs?