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Old 03-02-2023, 07:15 AM   #1
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Re: Saints coach Dennis Allen gives offensive play-caller Pete Carmichael vote of confidence

How many times has a "vote of confidence" been followed by a firing? Just having to come out and say that is an acknowledgement that there is a problem.
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Old 03-02-2023, 07:51 AM   #2
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How many times has a "vote of confidence" been followed by a firing? Just having to come out and say that is an acknowledgement that there is a problem.
Some HCs keep their bad pieces around so they can fire them and put all the blame on them. It happens all the time and I honestly think that's what Allen is doing here. He is insulating himself, creating a cushion with Carmichael. Trying to get that third year even if things go horribly wrong.
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Some HCs keep their bad pieces around so they can fire them and put all the blame on them. It happens all the time and I honestly think that's what Allen is doing here. He is insulating himself, creating a cushion with Carmichael. Trying to get that third year even if things go horribly wrong.
Yup. That's how you guarantee job security. All you need to do is surround yourself with losers. Gotcha.
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Yup. That's how you guarantee job security. All you need to do is surround yourself with losers. Gotcha.
I realize you're being sarcastic, but just an observation:
I've noticed (with a few some exceptions) that HC's and their top OC/DC's are pretty much joined at the hip. So it's Ride Or Die. It seems that when they do cut bait, they either realize they are on a short leash to make things happen OR the front office is making the call and pulling the plug.

Anyway you slice it, if DA gets bounced, it's almost guaranteed (God help us) that PC won't take over.

....the drama unfolds.
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Old 03-02-2023, 09:24 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by leilung View Post
I realize you're being sarcastic, but just an observation:
I've noticed (with a few some exceptions) that HC's and their top OC/DC's are pretty much joined at the hip. So it's Ride Or Die. It seems that when they do cut bait, they either realize they are on a short leash to make things happen OR the front office is making the call and pulling the plug.

Anyway you slice it, if DA gets bounced, it's almost guaranteed (God help us) that PC won't take over.

....the drama unfolds.
Absolutely agree.
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Yup. That's how you guarantee job security. All you need to do is surround yourself with losers. Gotcha.
What it does is buy time. I get you are being sarcastic, but there is actually a strategy to it. The longer you are in charge of things the higher chance that you can turn the roster around and still remain coach. When you have a roster issue such as lacking a QB, as a coach you are trying to buy time to find that guy you can win with.
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What it does is buy time. I get you are being sarcastic, but there is actually a strategy to it. The longer you are in charge of things the higher chance that you can turn the roster around and still remain coach. When you have a roster issue such as lacking a QB, as a coach you are trying to buy time to find that guy you can win with.
As an owner Gayle Benson is trying her best to get that QB in Carr. What you are failing to see is that he is in lockstep with that owner. I am just glad that our owner isn't as fickle as a vocal minority of fans.
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