Saints Offer Restructured Contract to Winston as Backup
 

That solves our backup questions. Jameis would be a fool not to take the deal.

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Depends on the deal

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Not going to find a more game ready backup. That's for sure.

But, yes, it will depend upon the deal. It's definitely going to be a sizable reduction or they would have just kept him under his current contract one would think.

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Winston apparently wasn't good enough to replace his own backup after his injury according to Dennis Allen. TBH, I'm more than a little surprised that we made the offer. If I were Winston I would have to think long and hard before taking the deal after the way DA said he wouldn't lose his starting job because of injury but then he did just that. Nonetheless, Winston rode the pine the rest of the year because DA said Dalton gave them a better chance to win.

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From everything I read and heard, Rugs, Winston had not fully recovered from the injury and that's why he wasn't returned to the starting lineup. He could play if absolutely required, but Allen had said he felt a healthy Dalton gave us a better shot at the time as you said. Now that I don't agree with, but it was his call.

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And if he agrees, his salary will be $1 million this year and **** tons guaranteed next year with voidable years in 2025 and 2026 because thats how we roll. Can't afford to make cuts so we try to keep everyone who is on a multi-year non-rookie deal forever unless they play well enough to merit a big raise we can't afford. Andrus Peat may die on our active roster and we may have to develop a Medicare supplement plan for active players.

Winston would be a fine backup but he would benefit much more from going somewhere like KC, LA, Buff, SF, or Den with a QB guru coach where he could become a legend if the starter goes down and he puts it all together in the right system.

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Jameis is a great dude, but I'd much rather see us draft or obtain a young QB that Carr and Taysom can mentor and save money at backup QB. Maybe this new deal won't pay Jameis much, but it's still money we need to use elsewhere on the depth chart.

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Can’t see him sticking around unless he and his agent feel there is little interest in JW. His only bargaining chip with the Saint is the current contracts owed Dead Money remaining after a post June 1 cut spread over 2023 and 2024.

Just not sure there is market for a starting position for JW at this.

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My best guess is Andy Dalton has no interest in returning to the Saints. We all know Winston can sling the ball and can pick a defense apart if he has a ton of time to throw the ball. I could absolutely be wrong, but I don't feel Winston provides much of anything if able to get a pass rush on him.

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I don't think the Saints have a ton of interest in bringing Dalton back themselves.

I'm just hoping that all we are getting is a clipboard holder and practice partner for the next eight years or so. Derek Carr has only missed two regular season games to injury. He missed the final game in 2016 to a fractured leg and coincidentally one game in October 2017 with the exact same fracture to a transverse process that Winston experienced. He played the rest of the season with the fracture. The difference is he only broke one of them and Winston had four separate fractures.

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He's made plenty of $ already. It's just a matter of if he thinks other teams will come calling for a potential starter gig. If so, he's gone. If not, holding a clip board is not such a bad gig. As I stated before, I'll volunteer for that gig for a lot less $. I am awaiting a call from Kai.

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You probably need to back off your demands a bit.

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OK... I'll admit asking for my own golf cart was over the top, although I really don't think it's that egregious .

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I would be real surprised if there is much interest in Winston. If you are facing a backup role at best, might as well stay where you are. I still hope we draft someone, Winston for sure isnt an answer. I pray for Carr to remain healthy.

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It's pretty simple.

He's an extremely capable backup, familiar with the system. Very unfortunate run of injuries. Keep in mind we didn't risk your health.

Either we work it out or you're free to search for another opportunity. But the next offer won't be this good...

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The Saints organization and fan base has treated Jameis Winston pretty poorly. I would like him to stay though.

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I think JW had a very tuff act to follow rez on a couple of points. First to come here after Tampa Bay it was such a bitter rivalry it was not easy for Saints Fans to just jump in feet first.

Always understood why Coach Payton brought him in, Brees was obviously on his final run and Jamis was a talented, young veteran QB.

Secondly and most importantly JW would have always found it difficult in comparisons when replacing Brees behind center and Brees’s relationship with New Orleans and the fans straight out of the box. I think he handled himself well was a humble solid teammate but never displayed the skill sets to fit into and command the Saints offense requires to succeed IMHO..

Add in the 2 seasons of spotty play with lots of critical and persistent injuries along with his season ending injuries it was just unfortunate and regrettable. It was not due to any failure of character, effort or professionalism on his part all were above reproach. Dennis made the call, we will never know the complete story, but I don’t think final decision was made without collective input from the staff as a whole trying to put the team in the best position to win.

Would like to see him stay in the backup position but I feel certain JW will seek out any opportunity to compete for a starting position first and foremost.

If he stays for the back up and it helps the cap situation, great. But he JW leave the Saints would like say all the best to him and good luck in your NFL journey.

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Agreed on both points.

Still, he did have an opportunity to shine and come through. If he'd shown enough in the time he did have, this discussion wouldn't be here. He's matured. And with the money being thrown around on QBs, there is daylight for him to get more $. We'll see shortly just what kind of "strong AZZ offer" he was given, that was also cap friendly . How many current teams would consider him to lead the reins? We may be fixing to find out. As backups go, teams will likely go with younger players due to cap considerations. So if backup QB is his future going forward, Saints may be his best option. And who knows, if the unthinkable were to happen, he gets another opportunity to shine.

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Not in terms of typical NFL starting QB money after the rookie contract. Here are the payouts:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orle...cash-earnings/

He never got the big starting QB contract after year 5. And unless he's able to pull a Geno Smith somewhere down the line, he never will.

Winston has $67 million paid out over 8 years. Seems like a lot. But for example with the new deal that Daniel Jones in New York just signed, he's caught up to the cash value of Winston's career going into year 5.

Also it's not just about the money, though that's a big part. Starting QBs want to start. JW2 just doesn't have the mindset of a Chase Daniel, who has made a ton of money as a backup QB in this league.

SFIAH

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He's got until Wednesday to decide iirc. I want him back because he's a team player, but at the same time I'm not sure that he can develop any further without Sean Payton's strong hand leading his decision making process. We may have seen everything hye is capable of. I hope not, but my initial concerns that he is severely limited are back again.

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Disagree. The Saints and many of it's fans have been pretty supportive of Winston despite his history on and off the field.
The Saints gave him a pretty fair contract last year to see if he could prove that he was ready to lead this team. With all the turnovers in leadership and injuries he couldn't "earn" his way into a long term deal. That sucks for him.
For me, I couldn't stand the guy before he signed with the Saints. His privileged college behavior and his stupiditiy just when he played the Saints turned me off. Like a lot of Saints fans, I like the idea of redemption (we may be saints but we are all indeed sinners) and wanted to see him put his past behind him and do really well here.

Honestly, that's simply my perception. I live in Alaska afterall. You might see more vitriolic behavior where you live.

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I live in the greater New Orleans area. He was trashed by fans on the daily.

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I wouldn't mind Winston as a backup but I find it highly unlikely that he would accept that. I believe he still feels he can be a starter in the league. If he choses to sign somwhere else where he will get a shot at atleast compete for the spot I'll wish him the best. I havn't seen him do anything but the right things while with the Saints.

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Winston's injury luck is unfortunate.

What gave me hope was the way the team seemed to support him. I felt like hey, if the team loves him, he must be the guy.

Personally, I think he's goofy and off-putting. He looks uncomfortable in the pocket and speaks like someone who's trying to convince you of something that isn't true.

But hey, all that aside, I pulled for him to win and even defended him when others criticized his decisions and I still think he'd be an excellent back up or stop gap in the event Carr is injured. More so than Dalton.

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Bobby Scott made a good living holding a clip board for many years.

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Yeah, he's goofy alright. He's kind of likeable though, but as you pointed out he seems to be trying too hard. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but people who try too hard may be trying to fix a flaw that they recognize.

He grew on me though after my initial negative response watching him eat the W. If Payton was still coaching him with the blinders on like his first year with us I'd have a lot more faith in Winston

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And if the organization have treated him as poorly as you speculate, Jameis has the opportunity to say no I don't want to work with you.

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I expect him to, but I also think he enjoys being close to home.

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That part right there, nail on the head! I've played with QBs that the team HATED and it always went really poorly. But if you love the guy in the middle of the huddle you are willing to put it all on the line for him.

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Jameis's statement was impressive.