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BAA HAA HAA!!!!! :roflmao: If he talked about my mother I'd have a curse put on him. Guido, I've got a friend, Zulu priestess, who cleared the bad mojo back in 2006. Need the number for a good curse? PM me.

I'm not blocking Bako because this is way too entertaining! :roflmao:

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The guy is already cursed, Rugs. He has to look at himself in the mirror every day. I'm back to ignoring him again, however, since I have still never read a single post of his that was even vaguely constructive or informative.

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Gosh I guess if I want to make constructive informative posts I should just post '20-0 Baby! 20-0 Baby!' over and over since its so constructive and informative to be on Mickey Loomis' jock 24/7. Fact is most of my posts are 1000x more constructive and informative than yours because they are not pure cheerleading. I am fine looking myself in the mirror because I am typically wearing a shirt and jeans. Looks a lot better than you in a Saintsations outfit.

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All teams lose quality, prime players…especially when they accumulate them all at the same time. It’s impossible to keep a stacked roster in the NFL. We just watched the Eagles lose several core pieces this offseason. It just comes with the territory. As far as Hendrickson, he could barely stay on the field his first three years here. He had a big fourth year and then he left. We have to realize that we’re going to have holes. Every team does. We just have to be elite at our strengths, stay healthy, and have a bit of luck.

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You actually said Loomis is the worst GM in the league Bako. If you can’t see that you are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum from AG then you have vision problems. While he sees everything rosy, you see nothing but negatives when it comes to Loomis. No one expects you to ride his jock. Objectivity would be nice though.

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Give up, Boston. His hatred is so deep-rooted that he can't recognize how far he is off the deep-end.

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I do see I am on opposite sides of spectrum of AG. Its not an infinite surprise that two people on opposite sides of the spectrum may talk a little smack now and then. I just don't like him getting up on a high horse in that cheerleader uniform of his and acting like he is the ultimate voice of reason. Unbridled optimism is not reason. It's an opinion, but not one where he should be saying everyone who disagrees with him is uninformed and not constructive just because they disagree.

Anyway, we all have our own perspectives but I think there are objective arguments to be made that Loomis is the worst GM. Specifically I would make my arguments in terms of the present state of the team. We ran off a HOF coach. We went out of our way to hand pick a replacement who came in with a sub-.250 winning percentage. We spent arguably the most resources of any team in 2022: spending all our 2022 cap, allocating the most most above the 2023 cap of any team, and trading our 1st round draft pick. What all those resources got us was 7-10 in the worst division in the NFL despite surprisingly good QB play from our backup QB compared to other teams, when we went into the season knowing our starting QB was coming off an injury and had a historically inconsistent career. So, did we win 4 more games than the Chicago Bears? Sure. But in a weaker division, and to do it we had to trade our 1st round and max out our cap. So I would say that in terms of the position he has put our team in now Loomis, is the worst GM in the league. I think that's as objective an argument as any.

Some people don't think the cap matters. They think its a thing of the past and Loomis is the wave of the future. But I am not crazy to disagree. Two of the last 3 Super Bowl winners are actively rebuilding this offseason to get more cap room: the Rams and Bucs. Its fairly clear if you look at their moves. So other GMs with much more recent success than Loomis agree.

Oh, and he tried very hard to get Deshaun Watson 12 months ago, which I think most people agree would have been a disaster. I think a lot of people would say that finishing top-3 in the Watson sweepstakes puts a GM in the bottom-tier conversation.

I am not saying Loomis over his career is the worst GM. I am saying Loomis now. Because he has put our team in a horrible position, and because he has no plan to rebuild only to hope for 9-8 if there are no injuries at all. Al Davis was perhaps the best GM in league history his first 15-20 years on the job. And he was perhaps the worst GM in league history the last 15-20 years. Skill declines. My view is that Loomis has declined. Feel free to have your own, or to do hand stands on a pony with AG.

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At the end of all of this we are all just experts of our own opinion, nothing more nothing less. The same as any talking head.

Many times I don't agree with individuals here or think they may be filling some whacked out narrative in their own mind, but it is what it is, its the internet. If anyone is here seeking or needs validation from a complete stranger so be it. There are plenty of barbs hurled in all directions.

Regardless of the toxicity, and I am sure many here feel the same about me(toxic), I wish us the best as a team. I am a Saints fan and hit all of the Saints threads I can find.

Just because someone has an opinion and expresses it differently than we feel they should, big deal get over it. I have learned to ignore and when I don't feel like ignoring on my own I click the nifty ignore button.

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You make some good points Bako. We don't always agree but it's always good to try to see the other person's point of view for open discussion. Maybe, just maybe, we win enough games to make everybody happy. Who Dat! :bng:

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Words of wisdom right there Rez. :clap:

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I don't remember. Who is hosting the draft party in NO? I can't find the thread but I'm bringing my twin brother and his wife. Thanks.

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https://media2.giphy.com/media/kEzIo...giphy.gif&ct=g

There you geaux.

At the end of the day, we're all couch GM's, coaches & CAP GURU's :smokin:.

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Wish I could be there !

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I bumped the thread for you a few days ago, Rugs. Looks like someone pinned it now.

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1027...sh-2023-a.html

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Well if we trade up I hope it’s not for Jalen Carter. Dude declined any visits with any teams not in the top ten of the draft. I guess it’s screw any team that was willing to trade valuable picks and/or possibly a good player to move up in the top 10 to snag him. That’s a douche move by him

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Sounds like a move orchestrated by the aide of his agent Drew Rosenhaus. Assuming he's still his agent as of today.

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Hmm... so he thinks the DE from Northwestern is our guy at #29? Keywords coming from some National scouts that are somewhat concerning for me ... "raw, tweener, not a finisher, no moves outside of the bull rush" etc. Doesn't that sound like Davenport?

Now I do like his selection (TE - Washington) in rd2 though.

I will give Todd credit though, last year he consistently said the Saints would find a way to draft Chris Olave & they did just that :bng:.

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Uhmm...no thanks! No more projects in the early rounds. Isn't that what the late rounds are for? Nevermind. We trade away those late round draft picks and have to develop players from the first round. It's what we do.

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Exactly. I doubt if any player coming into the draft is making moves like this without HEAVY influence from his agent or inner circle. Clearly, he's trying to set a tone as to his self worth: "These are the teams who will draft me, because I won't be falling any further in the draft to waste my time on the rest."

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Whoever was behind the decision, it doesn’t seem like a wise move. Like Riaton said, The Chiefs, bills, Eagles, or any number of other teams that have a young establish QB could have possibly wanted to trade into the top 10 to draft him. He (or his team) may have just let his ego talk his way out of being on a perennial playoff contender. Nice move dip****.

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I've heard it was entirely the decision of his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. Rosenhaus is one of the very best agents in the business. It was suggested it would serve a dual purpose. One, it could weed out teams that were simply curious, but not serious, which would be a waste of time. Two, it could bring to light teams that are considering moving into the top 10. Those teams not currently in the top 10 can still approach Rosenhaus with the idea that they may make a move if they can.

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If so, that’s stupid.

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The person that I heard that from said that he trusts Rosenhaus knows exactly what he's doing. It was an ex-GM. I know that. Maybe Mark Dominik. He stressed the fact that they likely didn't want to waste the time and effort travelling to teams that were not serious when he could be working out and getting prepared instead. Don't forget that he bombed his pro day and truly interested teams may want to see something more.

We'll see. If he goes in the top ten then he was right. I've seen mocks that still have him going as high as #5.

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Him going in the top ten won’t prove him right.

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Perhaps. Perhaps not. From his perspective he believes it is the the most prudent approach. I've personally never represented a professional athlete so I couldn't say for sure. According to Wikipedia he represents over 170 professional athletes and over 100 in the NFL alone. I would personally tend to trust his opinion. But that's just me. :D

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The old appeal to authority logical fallacy.

The only apparent advantage is to save time and effort. It’s bad optics from a wealthy (or soon to be) a-hole who doesn’t care about optics. Solid franchises like Pitt and NE are in the teens and maybe considering a move up to get him….but not now. Maybe a team/gm NOT in the top ten now would be interested in signing him to his NEXT big contract but will hold this against him/agent. Just my opinion of course.

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Any team that is truly interested in moving up is not precluded from contacting Rosenhaus for a meeting. Don't forget, this is a business. No GM is going to be childish enough to hold it against Rosenhaus. They're more likely to joke about it the next time they play golf together. :D

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If they aren’t precluded from contacting them for a meeting then putting out the information is a meaningless waste of time. And egos are big in the NFL. I fully believe there are organizations that will put this as a red mark against him.

I’m not gonna argue about it with you. Riaton made a comment and I agree with it. It’s a bad look to offer a blanket denial for interviews. It speaks of entitlement (especially from a rookie) and that’s not what I think is good in a locker room. If you disagree because he has an agent you admire good for you. I haven’t heard of many other guaranteed top pics doing this.

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A red mark against who? Carter? LOL! He's already got a whole ledger of red marks against him.

Boston, I believe you are projecting how you would feel if someone limited you from requesting a meeting. First of all, everyone involved knows that Carter has nothing to do personally with his agent's plan. At this point he's probably doing the smart thing, following orders, and keeping his mouth shut.

As for what a locker room thinks about it, they couldn't care less. I can't tell you how many times I have heard players say that what other players do or say about contracts is none of their business.

As for Rosenhaus, I have no more admiration or lack there of than any other agent. What I do know is than he is very well respected by the GM's. Most all of the top agents and the GM's get along very well from all indications and I wasn't just kidding around about the golf. I have heard that more deals are probably made on the course than around a table. LOL! I honestly don't think any of them take things as personally as you might suspect.

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It’s incredible that you’ve called me argumentative before. Stuff like this is why I had no problem taking a break from the site. Your narcissistic, obsessive need to force others to agree with your point of view in order to fulfill your need for validation is sad. I could easily keep pointing out logical flaws and inconsistencies in your opinions of what goes on in NFL locker rooms between players and your ASSumptions of the workings of agent/GMs relationships because you consume NFL media through an IV. You aren’t worth the effort of discussion because you aren’t genuinely interested.

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Whoa! Simple discussions, my friend. Relax. Take a breath.

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You say I’m projecting. You Type “LOL”at points I make. All after I post that I’m not going to argue with you about this. Kiss my rear! I come here to enjoy the saints. Nor to have to defend my opinions to jerks like you.

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Boston, I LOL'd at Carter creating his own red marks. Not at you at all. I also LOL'd about how GM's and agent do half their negotiating on golf courses. That's funny, but true.

I'm sorry you took anything I said as belittling you. I have gone back through and read everything I wrote and can't see why you got so upset.

Once again, I'm sorry if I upset you. It wasn't my intention.

:(

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I'm positive that we'll move up in the first round for a project lineman with a mad RAS that may or may not develop. It's what we do.

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No trade up this year! Best fit at DE in the 1st! Plenty of value remaining with our pick! We’ll get a RB or TE with our 2nd and the opposite positions for our third pick! Then they will plug holes on the defensive line, Safety, CB and WR!

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I hope the Saints stay put this year.

We need an impact player on that defensive line.

Who knows what the front office brass will do.

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Agreed. Speed rusher for the Right End. TE next. Then OL.

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I like it, but we didn't upgrade our run stopping game and we need to beef up the IDL before we go into the season again with a weak interior rush. I agree that we need a speed rusher, someone to contain mobile QB's, but I'd counter with an interior lineman who can collapse the pocket and get pressure on the QB.

Derek Carr likes his TE's. We have JJ and Trautman but not much else behind them. Taysom isn't a TE. He's a weapon that defies a pigeonhole role. Give him another weapon in the draft. This is a deep TE draft iirc. Get one in the middle rounds and focus on the needs rather than the wants early in the draft.

We have a good RB room, but we may need to bring in a player with a similar style to AK, since his legal issues are likely to get him suspended this season. But it's a deep RB draft this year. Get a good RB in the third round. I believe that's where we drafted AK. We don't know what Benjamin offers yet, so give him some serious competition in training camp with a mid-round draft pick. Whoever it is they need to be able to pick up the blitz.

IOL, IDL, RB, TE, possession receiver to back up MT, and safety are my biggest concerns. We have the draft picks in the middle rounds to draft good players that fit the system if we don't give them away to trade up.

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Trade the thug for a decent honorable player.... let him beat up people and ruin another team's rep. Adios Alvin