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Anyway, we all have our own perspectives but I think there are objective arguments to be made that Loomis is the worst GM. Specifically I would make my arguments in terms of the present state of the team. We ran off a HOF coach. We went out of our way to hand pick a replacement who came in with a sub-.250 winning percentage. We spent arguably the most resources of any team in 2022: spending all our 2022 cap, allocating the most most above the 2023 cap of any team, and trading our 1st round draft pick. What all those resources got us was 7-10 in the worst division in the NFL despite surprisingly good QB play from our backup QB compared to other teams, when we went into the season knowing our starting QB was coming off an injury and had a historically inconsistent career. So, did we win 4 more games than the Chicago Bears? Sure. But in a weaker division, and to do it we had to trade our 1st round and max out our cap. So I would say that in terms of the position he has put our team in now Loomis, is the worst GM in the league. I think that's as objective an argument as any. Some people don't think the cap matters. They think its a thing of the past and Loomis is the wave of the future. But I am not crazy to disagree. Two of the last 3 Super Bowl winners are actively rebuilding this offseason to get more cap room: the Rams and Bucs. Its fairly clear if you look at their moves. So other GMs with much more recent success than Loomis agree. Oh, and he tried very hard to get Deshaun Watson 12 months ago, which I think most people agree would have been a disaster. I think a lot of people would say that finishing top-3 in the Watson sweepstakes puts a GM in the bottom-tier conversation. I am not saying Loomis over his career is the worst GM. I am saying Loomis now. Because he has put our team in a horrible position, and because he has no plan to rebuild only to hope for 9-8 if there are no injuries at all. Al Davis was perhaps the best GM in league history his first 15-20 years on the job. And he was perhaps the worst GM in league history the last 15-20 years. Skill declines. My view is that Loomis has declined. Feel free to have your own, or to do hand stands on a pony with AG. |
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At the end of all of this we are all just experts of our own opinion, nothing more nothing less. The same as any talking head.
Many times I don't agree with individuals here or think they may be filling some whacked out narrative in their own mind, but it is what it is, its the internet. If anyone is here seeking or needs validation from a complete stranger so be it. There are plenty of barbs hurled in all directions. Regardless of the toxicity, and I am sure many here feel the same about me(toxic), I wish us the best as a team. I am a Saints fan and hit all of the Saints threads I can find. Just because someone has an opinion and expresses it differently than we feel they should, big deal get over it. I have learned to ignore and when I don't feel like ignoring on my own I click the nifty ignore button. |
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I don't remember. Who is hosting the draft party in NO? I can't find the thread but I'm bringing my twin brother and his wife. Thanks.
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There you geaux. At the end of the day, we're all couch GM's, coaches & CAP GURU's :smokin:. |
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Well if we trade up I hope it’s not for Jalen Carter. Dude declined any visits with any teams not in the top ten of the draft. I guess it’s screw any team that was willing to trade valuable picks and/or possibly a good player to move up in the top 10 to snag him. That’s a douche move by him
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Now I do like his selection (TE - Washington) in rd2 though. I will give Todd credit though, last year he consistently said the Saints would find a way to draft Chris Olave & they did just that :bng:. |
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Whoever was behind the decision, it doesn’t seem like a wise move. Like Riaton said, The Chiefs, bills, Eagles, or any number of other teams that have a young establish QB could have possibly wanted to trade into the top 10 to draft him. He (or his team) may have just let his ego talk his way out of being on a perennial playoff contender. Nice move dip****.
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We'll see. If he goes in the top ten then he was right. I've seen mocks that still have him going as high as #5. |
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The only apparent advantage is to save time and effort. It’s bad optics from a wealthy (or soon to be) a-hole who doesn’t care about optics. Solid franchises like Pitt and NE are in the teens and maybe considering a move up to get him….but not now. Maybe a team/gm NOT in the top ten now would be interested in signing him to his NEXT big contract but will hold this against him/agent. Just my opinion of course. |
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I’m not gonna argue about it with you. Riaton made a comment and I agree with it. It’s a bad look to offer a blanket denial for interviews. It speaks of entitlement (especially from a rookie) and that’s not what I think is good in a locker room. If you disagree because he has an agent you admire good for you. I haven’t heard of many other guaranteed top pics doing this. |
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Boston, I believe you are projecting how you would feel if someone limited you from requesting a meeting. First of all, everyone involved knows that Carter has nothing to do personally with his agent's plan. At this point he's probably doing the smart thing, following orders, and keeping his mouth shut. As for what a locker room thinks about it, they couldn't care less. I can't tell you how many times I have heard players say that what other players do or say about contracts is none of their business. As for Rosenhaus, I have no more admiration or lack there of than any other agent. What I do know is than he is very well respected by the GM's. Most all of the top agents and the GM's get along very well from all indications and I wasn't just kidding around about the golf. I have heard that more deals are probably made on the course than around a table. LOL! I honestly don't think any of them take things as personally as you might suspect. |
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I'm sorry you took anything I said as belittling you. I have gone back through and read everything I wrote and can't see why you got so upset. Once again, I'm sorry if I upset you. It wasn't my intention. :( |
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I'm positive that we'll move up in the first round for a project lineman with a mad RAS that may or may not develop. It's what we do.
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No trade up this year! Best fit at DE in the 1st! Plenty of value remaining with our pick! We’ll get a RB or TE with our 2nd and the opposite positions for our third pick! Then they will plug holes on the defensive line, Safety, CB and WR!
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I hope the Saints stay put this year.
We need an impact player on that defensive line. Who knows what the front office brass will do. |
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Derek Carr likes his TE's. We have JJ and Trautman but not much else behind them. Taysom isn't a TE. He's a weapon that defies a pigeonhole role. Give him another weapon in the draft. This is a deep TE draft iirc. Get one in the middle rounds and focus on the needs rather than the wants early in the draft. We have a good RB room, but we may need to bring in a player with a similar style to AK, since his legal issues are likely to get him suspended this season. But it's a deep RB draft this year. Get a good RB in the third round. I believe that's where we drafted AK. We don't know what Benjamin offers yet, so give him some serious competition in training camp with a mid-round draft pick. Whoever it is they need to be able to pick up the blitz. IOL, IDL, RB, TE, possession receiver to back up MT, and safety are my biggest concerns. We have the draft picks in the middle rounds to draft good players that fit the system if we don't give them away to trade up. |
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Trade the thug for a decent honorable player.... let him beat up people and ruin another team's rep. Adios Alvin
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