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Foster Moreau Discovers Serious Condition in Saints Physical

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; $8 million "fully" guaranteed is the key here. No way you fully guarantee 2/3rds of the contract if you have any doubt he'll play. We should still have at least $12-$13 million left after this deal in 2023 cap space ...

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Old 05-10-2023, 11:29 AM   #1
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$8 million "fully" guaranteed is the key here. No way you fully guarantee 2/3rds of the contract if you have any doubt he'll play. We should still have at least $12-$13 million left after this deal in 2023 cap space to make more additions.
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Moreau is officially a Saint! Get well soon and come back strong. This is my kind of story!
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Hope it works out mainly for his health and secondly for his game. Doesn’t change my feelings about the draft.
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From a perceived position of weakness to a realized position of strength. We never know what's going on behind those closed doors on Airline Drive in Metairie.

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Hope it works out mainly for his health and secondly for his game. Doesn’t change my feelings about the draft.
Boston the lens we view the draft thru and shaped individual assessments of team needs is diverse, varied, researched, insightful and all have merit. The organization does exactly the same thing with the benefit of direct access to the players, their coaches, game firm with the teams short and long term plan to address those needs. The Saints are not a “get all the bodies you can” from a strategic point of view. Many feel that is a foundational approach and objective to the draft … Not The Saints. Is what it is.

But as history tells us the Saints will do whatever it takes to get the player(s) they like with whatever capital is available to them or can be traded for.

The first 3 picks this draft were all needs and I think considering where we were at in the draft order Ireland and team did a great job with these 3 picks. A day 1 starter and 2 rotational pieces at the minimum and Foskey or Miller might be a real surprise by the start of the season.

OG was a must not just for depth but next year we have 1 maybe 2 OG position that might be needed next season. Again between Saldiveri and Hurst one of those stand a good chance of being a starter at OG especially if Penning secures the starting LT position.

The QB pick value pick for a prospect to hopefully replace Winston salary more than Winston himself. But there is no way we have Winston as a long term backup QB. If Haener shows well this offseason Winston could end up being trade material for a team in need of a QB to step up and in due to injury. At a minimum step in the Backup QB position next year.

For these reasons and the ability to take the long view on Haeners development while we have Carr. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

As fas the rest of the draft, interesting but only time will give us any real insight.

Foster Moreau’s signing is a good indication that inside the organization that the outlook on his treatment plan and returning to football was already known inside 5800 Airline Dr going into this years draft. Making the selection of a TE in this draft not so critical while those in the media and we fans could not wrap our head around not drafting a TE. Additional a huge plus over drafting a TE is that Moreau is an experienced TE that has played with our QB and been productive.

I have to trust that the Saints identified the players they liked and thought they could get. They had a plan going in, with a combination of the draft falling their way and trading up to get players they liked, Free Agent signings to compete for not just roster spots but starting roles in all the areas of need.

I would like to think every player we signed will have a positive impact on the Saints Team and roster. But that’s just not the nature of the beast. We will all be back next off-season discussing this years hits, the misses and assigning fault with analytical certainty and stellar GM and coaching insight on January 8, 2024.

Then start the whole process over again for the next batch players needed and why. God willing we are all here to participate.

Gotta love being a Saints Fan.
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Boston the lens we view the draft thru and shaped individual assessments of team needs is diverse, varied, researched, insightful and all have merit. The organization does exactly the same thing with the benefit of direct access to the players, their coaches, game firm with the teams short and long term plan to address those needs. The Saints are not a “get all the bodies you can” from a strategic point of view. Many feel that is a foundational approach and objective to the draft … Not The Saints. Is what it is.

But as history tells us the Saints will do whatever it takes to get the player(s) they like with whatever capital is available to them or can be traded for.

The first 3 picks this draft were all needs and I think considering where we were at in the draft order Ireland and team did a great job with these 3 picks. A day 1 starter and 2 rotational pieces at the minimum and Foskey or Miller might be a real surprise by the start of the season.

OG was a must not just for depth but next year we have 1 maybe 2 OG position that might be needed next season. Again between Saldiveri and Hurst one of those stand a good chance of being a starter at OG especially if Penning secures the starting LT position.

The QB pick value pick for a prospect to hopefully replace Winston salary more than Winston himself. But there is no way we have Winston as a long term backup QB. If Haener shows well this offseason Winston could end up being trade material for a team in need of a QB to step up and in due to injury. At a minimum step in the Backup QB position next year.

For these reasons and the ability to take the long view on Haeners development while we have Carr. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

As fas the rest of the draft, interesting but only time will give us any real insight.

Foster Moreau’s signing is a good indication that inside the organization that the outlook on his treatment plan and returning to football was already known inside 5800 Airline Dr going into this years draft. Making the selection of a TE in this draft not so critical while those in the media and we fans could not wrap our head around not drafting a TE. Additional a huge plus over drafting a TE is that Moreau is an experienced TE that has played with our QB and been productive.

I have to trust that the Saints identified the players they liked and thought they could get. They had a plan going in, with a combination of the draft falling their way and trading up to get players they liked, Free Agent signings to compete for not just roster spots but starting roles in all the areas of need.

I would like to think every player we signed will have a positive impact on the Saints Team and roster. But that’s just not the nature of the beast. We will all be back next off-season discussing this years hits, the misses and assigning fault with analytical certainty and stellar GM and coaching insight on January 8, 2024.

Then start the whole process over again for the next batch players needed and why. God willing we are all here to participate.

Gotta love being a Saints Fan.
Right on point from top to bottom, WW.
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Boston the lens we view the draft thru and shaped individual assessments of team needs is diverse, varied, researched, insightful and all have merit. The organization does exactly the same thing with the benefit of direct access to the players, their coaches, game firm with the teams short and long term plan to address those needs. The Saints are not a “get all the bodies you can” from a strategic point of view. Many feel that is a foundational approach and objective to the draft … Not The Saints. Is what it is.

But as history tells us the Saints will do whatever it takes to get the player(s) they like with whatever capital is available to them or can be traded for.

The first 3 picks this draft were all needs and I think considering where we were at in the draft order Ireland and team did a great job with these 3 picks. A day 1 starter and 2 rotational pieces at the minimum and Foskey or Miller might be a real surprise by the start of the season.

OG was a must not just for depth but next year we have 1 maybe 2 OG position that might be needed next season. Again between Saldiveri and Hurst one of those stand a good chance of being a starter at OG especially if Penning secures the starting LT position.

The QB pick value pick for a prospect to hopefully replace Winston salary more than Winston himself. But there is no way we have Winston as a long term backup QB. If Haener shows well this offseason Winston could end up being trade material for a team in need of a QB to step up and in due to injury. At a minimum step in the Backup QB position next year.

For these reasons and the ability to take the long view on Haeners development while we have Carr. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

As fas the rest of the draft, interesting but only time will give us any real insight.

Foster Moreau’s signing is a good indication that inside the organization that the outlook on his treatment plan and returning to football was already known inside 5800 Airline Dr going into this years draft. Making the selection of a TE in this draft not so critical while those in the media and we fans could not wrap our head around not drafting a TE. Additional a huge plus over drafting a TE is that Moreau is an experienced TE that has played with our QB and been productive.

I have to trust that the Saints identified the players they liked and thought they could get. They had a plan going in, with a combination of the draft falling their way and trading up to get players they liked, Free Agent signings to compete for not just roster spots but starting roles in all the areas of need.

I would like to think every player we signed will have a positive impact on the Saints Team and roster. But that’s just not the nature of the beast. We will all be back next off-season discussing this years hits, the misses and assigning fault with analytical certainty and stellar GM and coaching insight on January 8, 2024.

Then start the whole process over again for the next batch players needed and why. God willing we are all here to participate.

Gotta love being a Saints Fan.
Fair enough and, with respect, I understand the reasonings for the picks they made. I read the articles. And I admit It’s not as bad as say, the trade up for Davenport. And sure Signing Moreau might help address the TE position. But rather then signing a free agent TE for 8 million guaranteed and drafting a defensive end you could have drafted a tight end and signed an $8 million defensive lineman from free agency just as well.

I feel there have been certain positions that, to their Detriment, have been neglected in the Saints historical draft process. Specifically TE and LB. Going all the way back to watching Shanley get beat, apart from guys we got from other teams (Vilma and Davis) we have struggled to find production there and we spend very little draft capital compared to other positions. Likewise with TE. From Shockey to the Colts guy (I’m blanking on his name) we treat it as an afterthought despite the success we had with the one TE pick that was successful in Graham.

I’m glad we signed him and am pulling for him to work out. Doesn’t mean I don’t think we missed on draft potential for the position.

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Fair enough and, with respect, I understand the reasonings for the picks they made. I read the articles. And I admit It’s not as bad as say, the trade up for Davenport. And sure Signing Moreau might help address the TE position. But rather then signing a free agent TE for 8 million guaranteed and drafting a defensive end you could have drafted a tight end and signed an $8 million defensive lineman from free agency just as well.

I feel there have been certain positions that, to their Detriment, have been neglected in the Saints historical draft process. Specifically TE and LB. Going all the way back to watching Shanley get beat, apart from guys we got from other teams (Vilma and Davis) we have struggled to find production there and we spend very little draft capital compared to other positions. Likewise with TE. From Shockey to the Colts guy (I’m blanking on his name) we treat it as an afterthought despite the success we had with the one TE pick that was successful in Graham.

I’m glad we signed him and am pulling for him to work out. Doesn’t mean I don’t think we missed on draft potential for the position.
Boston no aurgument with you points concern. I feel that Payton had a huge say during his tenure and showed he clearly over estimated his ability to coach up late round draft picks after his initial success. Great coach but this a talent driven game.

My sense that the last 2 draft have so far shown the Saints will pursue demonstrated quantifed talent and continue their efforts to get value in their late round draft picks and UDFA. A necessary piece of the equation to paying for the core veterans needed in all areas of the team and managing the Cap.

I agree on LB’rs situation as it stands, maybe they sign a veteran free agent combined with they lhave and from last years practice squad and Red Shirted on Injured Reserve.

I think Moreau cap hit is 3 million this year so there’s plenty remaining cap available to sign a veteran linebacker. That would go a long way in shoring up the linebacking unit.

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Boston no aurgument with you points concern. I feel that Payton had a huge say during his tenure and showed he clearly over estimated his ability to coach up late round draft picks after his initial success. Great coach but this a talent driven game.

My sense that the last 2 draft have so far shown the Saints will pursue demonstrated quantifed talent and continue their efforts to get value in their late round draft picks and UDFA. A necessary piece of the equation to paying for the core veterans needed in all areas of the team and managing the Cap.

I agree on LB’rs situation as it stands, maybe they sign a veteran free agent combined with they lhave and from last years practice squad and Red Shirted on Injured Reserve.

I think Moreau cap hit is 3 million this year so there’s plenty remaining cap available to sign a veteran linebacker. That would go a long way in shoring up the linebacking unit.

Let's not forget that we drafted a LB last year that didn't get to play a snap, D'Marco Jackson. So he is basically still a drafted rookie. We also added two more rookie LB's in Anfernee Orji and Nick Anderson from Tulane. We also picked up Ryan Connelly who was with Minnesota last season. The rookie draft is but one method for building a team. Depth can be added in any number of different ways. We currently have ten LB's on the roster and will eventually get down to six or seven counting practice squad. I agree that we'll likely be looking at another LB in free agency to compete for one of the depth slots behind the two starters and special teams.

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