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The Dude 04-08-2023 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 972387)
Drew Brees 2.0? I hope you're right. I'm having a hard time believing that. Especially since our oc hasn't proven he can bring out the best in the offense.

He will be good but Brees was elite, once in a lifetime Qb. If Carr has a good team around him we can find success but he’s not the kind of QB that can elevate our team if we have the worst defense in history. Brees was on another level and every time he touched the ball there was always a probability we could score. Brees didn’t need elite talent around him, just a good offensive line. Doubt we get another producer like Brees in our lifetime

K Major 04-08-2023 01:13 PM

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Drew 2.0?

Lol, I respect DCarr's game but come on man. Win a playoff game or two first.

AsylumGuido 04-08-2023 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 972616)
He will be good but Brees was elite, once in a lifetime Qb. If Carr has a good team around him we can find success but he’s not the kind of QB that can elevate our team if we have the worst defense in history. Brees was on another level and every time he touched the ball there was always a probability we could score. Brees didn’t need elite talent around him, just a good offensive line. Doubt we get another producer like Brees in our lifetime

Agreed.

The one time that Carr actually had a decent team around him with the Raiders was in 2016. He had the team at 12-3 and suffered a broken leg in game 15. Connor Cook and Matt McGloin took over at QB and they lost in the first round.

Carr's only chance in a playoff game was in 2021 with the 30th ranked defense facing Joe Burrow in the Wild Card game. They lost by seven.

Our defense is far superior than anything Carr had during his entire career with the Raiders. He's definitely not a Brees v2.0, but he gives us a far better shot than any other option we may have for years to come.

hitta 04-09-2023 02:41 PM

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When I said he was Brees 2.0, I didn't mean he was going to be Brees 2.0. I meant the acquisition was like Brees 2.0. I still think he's going to surprise people and could end up being one of the top QBs in the league. I should have been clear about what I meant. I mean even as QBs their style is very different.

Rugby Saint II 04-10-2023 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 972618)
Agreed.

The one time that Carr actually had a decent team around him with the Raiders was in 2016. He had the team at 12-3 and suffered a broken leg in game 15. Connor Cook and Matt McGloin took over at QB and they lost in the first round.

Carr's only chance in a playoff game was in 2021 with the 30th ranked defense facing Joe Burrow in the Wild Card game. They lost by seven.

Our defense is far superior than anything Carr had during his entire career with the Raiders. He's definitely not a Brees v2.0, but he gives us a far better shot than any other option we may have for years to come.

100% this! Carr can lead a good team to victory. We have the parts to be a good team again. The poor fella never had a chance with the Raiders. Al Davis and his son, Mark the bowl cut Davis, have made the Raiders perennial losers. Carr never stood a chance. He's got a good chance in New Orleans now and Loomis is stock piling weapons to make him successful. Let's see what he does with a good defense to help him out.

K Major 06-01-2023 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 972541)
Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run.

Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs.

Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season.

Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable.

Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc.

With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy :rolleyes:.

No excuses.

rezburna 06-01-2023 11:15 AM

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We're the underdog this year. We're being picked to win the division by default. Everybody thinks we'll be garbage. That's when we're at our best: flying under the radar.

Boston Saint 06-01-2023 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 974762)
Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs.

Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season.

Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable.

Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc.

With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy :rolleyes:.

No excuses.

I agree major, but it’s nice when you can run the ball on early downs as well. Being able to line up and put yourself in 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 2 is a big advantage. Penning has a rep as a mauler. I’d love to see a scheme that sets up play-action running behind him.

AsylumGuido 06-01-2023 11:39 AM

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I've brought this up before, but how many times did Dalton check out of a pass call into a run? Dalton became so conservative as the year progressed. The Saints have generally had a pass/run option on early downs based upon the QB's read of the defense. Defenses knew they didn't have much to fear from the Saints decimated offensive line last season in the run game. Even when a pass play was run Dalton would check down instead of taking the more aggressive shot downfield. Brees was always more likely to flip from a run primary to a pass option solely on his degree of self-confidence. Hopefully we see more of this out of Carr.

Boston Saint 06-01-2023 11:45 AM

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So hitta says Carr will shock the world huh?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PrF_LK...9ja2luZw%3D%3D

K Major 06-01-2023 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 974769)
So hitta says Carr will shock the world huh?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PrF_LK...9ja2luZw%3D%3D

Lol.

Side note - Sean Connery was my mom's "favorite" Bond :p

Boston Saint 06-01-2023 12:53 PM

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Lol.

Side note - Sean Connery was my mom's "favorite" Bond :p

My mom had him as her third “handsomest” star behind Clint Eastwood and William Holden. Definitely her favorite Bond.

You go mom!

FinSaint 06-01-2023 01:09 PM

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Lol.



Side note - Sean Connery was my mom's "favorite" Bond :p

The best and only true Bond for me.

AsylumGuido 06-01-2023 01:19 PM

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The best and only true Bond for me.

Going to Sean Connery's home country of Wales in July. And, agree, he was the one true Bond. I always thought of the others as fakes.

Boston Saint 06-01-2023 01:27 PM

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Going to Sean Connery's home country of Wales in July. And, agree, he was the one true Bond. I always thought of the others as fakes.

Going to Scotland? You must be joking…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAocm...pva2luZw%3D%3D

AsylumGuido 06-01-2023 01:39 PM

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Going to Scotland? You must be joking…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAocm...pva2luZw%3D%3D

Hmmm. I always thought Connery was from Wales. But, you are correct. He was born in Edinburgh, Scotland. We're actually visiting there, as well.

It appears it was Richard Burton that was from Wales. And Anthony Hopkins. And Catherine Zeta-Jones.

Boston Saint 06-01-2023 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 974775)
Hmmm. I always thought Connery was from Wales. But, you are correct. He was born in Edinburgh, Scotland. We're actually visiting there, as well.

It appears it was Richard Burton that was from Wales. And Anthony Hopkins. And Catherine Zeta-Jones.

Burton was another stud from that era. “Where Eagles Dare” is a great movie with Eastwood.

AsylumGuido 06-01-2023 02:54 PM

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Burton was another stud from that era. “Where Eagles Dare” is a great movie with Eastwood.

Yeah. That's what got me confused about birthplaces. They were contemporaries.

SmashMouth 06-01-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 974770)
Lol.

Side note - Sean Connery was my mom's "favorite" Bond :p

My very first Bond film was dubbed in French. Luckily I don't even remember it in French. I think I've seen every one multiples times.

Boston Saint 06-01-2023 03:55 PM

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My very first Bond film was dubbed in French. Luckily I don't even remember it in French. I think I've seen every one multiples times.

Je m’appelle Bond…Jacque Bond…

AsylumGuido 06-01-2023 04:09 PM

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Je m’appelle Bond…Jacque Bond…

Martini. Secouée pas bougé.

K Major 06-01-2023 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 974788)
My very first Bond film was dubbed in French. Luckily I don't even remember it in French. I think I've seen every one multiples times.

Smash -

Are you visiting Europe (France) any time soon?

SmashMouth 06-01-2023 05:58 PM

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Smash -

Are you visiting Europe (France) any time soon?

Nah... went three years ago with my lovely wife and granddaughter.

Too much chit happening in the world and too much $ right now.

hitta 06-02-2023 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 972374)
My concern with Carr is there was a big decline in his performance in 2022, compared to 2018-2021. I didn't follow the Raiders close enough to understand why numbers dropped so bad, I guess all we can hope for is he is good moving forward.

I honestly think he just lost his focus with the Raiders and needs somewhere else to restart fresh. Trust me, he's still got it. Even though he had a drop in 2022, I still saw IT. When it comes to QBs, the thing to watch for is how they position their body and move around that pocket while maintaining good awareness of the field. Throwing off your back foot causes more horrible interceptions than anything and is a complete breakdown of footwork and timing. Your best guys have such good awareness that they get to the right spots which allows them to get so far down their read trajectory. I've seen guys with clean pockets in the NFL throw off their back foot because they just sniff a little pressure. You can't blink as a QB. You have to manipulate the pocket and get rid of the ball. There is nothing more multifaceted than QB play and is a very hard thing to predict, but I definitely see something rare in him. He has the potential to do everything the greats could do, he just has to actualize it.

Man, I wish Payton would have gotten a shot with him. Payton will probably lead the Broncos to like a 9-8 or 8-9 record or something, which would be pretty amazing. As is though, that team cannot compete. Russel Wilson as the QB makes that impossible, I have no idea why he went there. Perhaps he likes making the best out of tough situations.

Rugby Saint II 06-04-2023 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 974770)
Lol.

Side note - Sean Connery was my mom's "favorite" Bond :p

My mom told my family one night while watching Sean Connery that he could park his shoes under her bed any time. I was shocked to hear my mom talk like that but my dad had a good laugh.


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