Derek Carr is going to shock the world

hitta · 04-02-2023, 03:50 PM

I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0.

AsylumGuido · 04-02-2023, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0.

I agree with all of that.

WW_Who_Dat · 04-02-2023, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0.

I feel exactly the same hitta. Now Saints need to get the Oline squared away, our weapons need to be available and the defense doing what the do best hold our opponents to 24 points or less.

That said and it comes to pass there we’ll be a lot of recalibration by Talking Heads but I’m sure they will explain to all of us how they were calling his resurgence as a top tier NFL QB all along we just missed it. 🤣 These guys like to go straight to pinnacle top opinions, great or not worthy no middle ground.

neugey · 04-02-2023, 05:31 PM

Because Carmichael needs to get his act together I think we need to pump the brakes a little. But I hope long term you are right.

BakoSaint · 04-02-2023, 05:59 PM

This requires Dennis Allen or Pete Carmichael to be a sharper offensive mind than Jon Gruden. I am skeptical of that. Cities don't throw footballs or design plays, QBs and coaches do.

The Raiders once signed a mid-career QB who had shown promise with the Saints, under the premise that the Saints were a death sentence for QBs, and up until a rocky final year, this young Saints QB had always performed so all he needed was a change in scenery to shine. The Raiders had a recent history of strong QB production, but their Super Bowl QB had retired and their offensive guru coach had moved on to another conference. Yet, the Raiders felt sure that even with a less proven coach, they could take a QB who had been good, if inconsistent, with the Saints and make him a star in Oakland given their franchises better track record at the QB position. They felt that merely the luster of their city, and the jokes about the franchise this QB had come from, would be enough to turn a QB around who had begun to show signs of fading. That QB was Aaron Brooks. It turned out that the Saints being a death sentence of QBs was not Brooks only problem, and whatever truth their might have been to the sentence, it had already been carried out and the product was DOA.

AsylumGuido · 04-02-2023, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

I feel exactly the same hitta. Now Saints need to get the Oline squared away, our weapons need to be available and the defense doing what the do best hold our opponents to 24 points or less.

That said and it comes to pass there we’ll be a lot of recalibration by Talking Heads but I’m sure they will explain to all of us how they were calling his resurgence as a top tier NFL QB all along we just missed it. 🤣 These guys like to go straight to pinnacle top opinions, great or not worthy no middle ground.

It really depends upon the ones you happen to hear. I've heard several that have been touting him as greatly underrated and a perfect fit for the Saints. Most of them have been ex-QB's. Drew Brees can be counted as among them. Perhaps the most important among them.

AsylumGuido · 04-02-2023, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Because Carmichael needs to get his act together I think we need to pump the brakes a little. But I hope long term you are right.

I believe giving Carmichael both Thomas and Carr will do wonders with getting his act together.

MatthewT · 04-03-2023, 07:23 AM

My concern with Carr is there was a big decline in his performance in 2022, compared to 2018-2021. I didn't follow the Raiders close enough to understand why numbers dropped so bad, I guess all we can hope for is he is good moving forward.

SmashMouth · 04-03-2023, 07:50 AM

Just curious if the Raiders were a death sentence to Jamarcus Russell too ?!?

saintsfan1976 · 04-03-2023, 08:18 AM

He certainly has all the physical tools. Intangibles like high character and leadership.

If healthy, this team should win 10 games and possibly host a playoff game.

But I'll caution just as I did last year - so much change in one offseason usually means much of the season can be spent building rapport on and off the field. Don't expect instant success...

04-02-2023, 03:50 PM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,301	Derek Carr is going to shock the world I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and Thirty3 like this.
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04-02-2023, 05:16 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by hitta I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0. I agree with all of that.

04-02-2023, 05:27 PM	#3
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,166 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by hitta I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0. I feel exactly the same hitta. Now Saints need to get the Oline squared away, our weapons need to be available and the defense doing what the do best hold our opponents to 24 points or less. That said and it comes to pass there we’ll be a lot of recalibration by Talking Heads but I’m sure they will explain to all of us how they were calling his resurgence as a top tier NFL QB all along we just missed it. 🤣 These guys like to go straight to pinnacle top opinions, great or not worthy no middle ground. Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-02-2023, 05:31 PM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,606 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Because Carmichael needs to get his act together I think we need to pump the brakes a little. But I hope long term you are right. UK_WhoDat likes this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,765	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world This requires Dennis Allen or Pete Carmichael to be a sharper offensive mind than Jon Gruden. I am skeptical of that. Cities don't throw footballs or design plays, QBs and coaches do. The Raiders once signed a mid-career QB who had shown promise with the Saints, under the premise that the Saints were a death sentence for QBs, and up until a rocky final year, this young Saints QB had always performed so all he needed was a change in scenery to shine. The Raiders had a recent history of strong QB production, but their Super Bowl QB had retired and their offensive guru coach had moved on to another conference. Yet, the Raiders felt sure that even with a less proven coach, they could take a QB who had been good, if inconsistent, with the Saints and make him a star in Oakland given their franchises better track record at the QB position. They felt that merely the luster of their city, and the jokes about the franchise this QB had come from, would be enough to turn a QB around who had begun to show signs of fading. That QB was Aaron Brooks. It turned out that the Saints being a death sentence of QBs was not Brooks only problem, and whatever truth their might have been to the sentence, it had already been carried out and the product was DOA. UK_WhoDat and MatthewT like this.
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04-02-2023, 06:48 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat I feel exactly the same hitta. Now Saints need to get the Oline squared away, our weapons need to be available and the defense doing what the do best hold our opponents to 24 points or less. That said and it comes to pass there we’ll be a lot of recalibration by Talking Heads but I’m sure they will explain to all of us how they were calling his resurgence as a top tier NFL QB all along we just missed it. 🤣 These guys like to go straight to pinnacle top opinions, great or not worthy no middle ground. It really depends upon the ones you happen to hear. I've heard several that have been touting him as greatly underrated and a perfect fit for the Saints. Most of them have been ex-QB's. Drew Brees can be counted as among them. Perhaps the most important among them.

04-02-2023, 06:50 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by neugey Because Carmichael needs to get his act together I think we need to pump the brakes a little. But I hope long term you are right. I believe giving Carmichael both Thomas and Carr will do wonders with getting his act together.

04-03-2023, 07:23 AM	#8
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,706	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world My concern with Carr is there was a big decline in his performance in 2022, compared to 2018-2021. I didn't follow the Raiders close enough to understand why numbers dropped so bad, I guess all we can hope for is he is good moving forward.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,095 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Just curious if the Raiders were a death sentence to Jamarcus Russell too ?!?

04-03-2023, 08:18 AM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,549 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world He certainly has all the physical tools. Intangibles like high character and leadership. If healthy, this team should win 10 games and possibly host a playoff game. But I'll caution just as I did last year - so much change in one offseason usually means much of the season can be spent building rapport on and off the field. Don't expect instant success... K Major likes this.