NFL by the numbers

saintswhodi · 10-06-2005, 10:08 AM

On the Marc
Rams' Bulger racking up unprecedented numbers
Posted: Wednesday October 5, 2005 4:57PM; Updated: Wednesday October 5, 2005 5:33PM

Marc Bulger has thrown for more than 440 yards three times in his career with the Rams.
Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images

Marc Bulger is the perfect quarterback for the Rams. They fall behind a lot; he loves to throw.

Bulger on Sunday threw for 442 yards in the Rams' 44-24 loss to the Giants. That's the first time anyone has thrown for 440 yards in a game since Bulger passed for 450 yards against the Jets on the final weekend of last season.

Bulger also passed for 448 yards against the Packers the 11th week of last year. Between that game and his 442-yard performance against the Giants, only two other QBs threw for 442 or more yards - the Titans Billy Volek (492 vs. the Raiders) and the Eagles Donovan McNabb (464 vs. the Packers).

So during a period of 11 weeks, Bulger has more games with 440 or more yards (three) than all other NFL quarterbacks combined (two).

There's more.

Bulger also passed for 453 yards against the Chargers in 2002, making him the first quarterback in NFL history with four 440-yard games in a four-year period. Dan Marino is the only quarterback in history with more -- but his were spread over an 11-year period.

Tommy Kramer of the Vikings had three 440-yard games, and only nine others have passed for that many yards twice in a game --- Jake Plummer, Vinny Testaverde, Randall Cunningham, Boomer Esiason, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Neil Lomax, Dan Fouts and Richard Todd.

But Plummer, Testaverde and Cunningham -- the three who most recently preceded Bulger with multiple 440-yard games-- each had their two performances for different teams, Plummer for the Cards and Broncos, Testaverde with the Jets and Buccaneers and Cunningham with the Eagles and Vikings.

That means in the last 10 years, Bulger is the only QB with more than one 440-yard passing performance for the same team.

And he has four.

Until this week, only Kramer (1980 and 1981) and Montana (1989 and 1990) had two efforts of 442 yards or better in the span of 11 starts.

Bulger is also the first QB to complete 40 passes and throw for 442 or more yards in a game since Simms was 40-for-62 for 513 yards against the Bengals in 1985.

Here is a look at Bulger's four career 440-yard passing efforts:

Oct. 2, 2005: vs. N.Y. Giants 40-62, 442 yards
Jan. 2, 2005, vs. N.Y. Jets (OT) 29-39, 450 yards
Nov. 29, 2004, vs. Packers 35-53, 448 yards
Nov. 10, 2002, vs. Chargers 36-48, 453 yards

More Obscure, Absurd and Preposterous Stats from the NFL's Week 4
ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¢ Giants WR Plaxico Burress had 204 receiving yards against the Rams on Sunday, his second game with 204 or more yards over the past four years.

He's the only receiver this decade with two games of 204 or more yards, and he now has more career 200-yard games than Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Paul Warfield, Andre Reed, Tim Brown, Cris Carter, Stanley Morgan and Muhsin Muhammad combined.

Since Nov. 10, 2002, when Burress had 253 yards for the Steelers against the Falcons, only four other receivers have reached 204 yards in a game (Amani Toomer, Rod Smith, Anquan Boldin and Drew Bennett).

Burress is the 13th player in NFL history to surpass 204 yards in a game more than once. The others: Jerry Rice (five times); Don Hutson, Charlie Hennigan, Isaac Bruce, Wes Chandler and Lance Alworth (three times); and Michael Irvin, James Lofton, Don Maynard, Carroll Dale, Stephone Paige and Jimmy Smith (twice).

The only other player with a 204-yard game for two different teams was Lofton, who on Oct. 15, 1984, caught 11-for-206 for the Packers against the Broncos and on Oct. 21, 1991, grabbed 8-for-220 for the Bills against the Bengals.

The last to have two 204-yard games closer together than Burress was Smith, who had a 220-yard game against the Saints in 1999 and a 291-yard game against the Ravens in 2000.

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¢ Eagles QB Donovan McNabb has thrown for 342 or more yards in three straight games, the first NFL QB to do that since Kurt Warner, then with the Rams, opened the 2000 season by passing for 441 yards vs. the Broncos, 386 vs. the Seahawks and 394 yards vs. the 49ers ... The Cards have won as many games in Central America since mid-December as they've won in the U.S. ... The four starting QBs who also have brothers playing quarterback in the NFL -- Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Josh McCown and Matt Hasselbeck -- completed 66% of their passes (97-for-146) last weekend, for 1,187 yards with 11 TDs and 0 INTs and a combined 116.4 passer rating ... The NFL's four undefeated teams had a combined 31-33 record last year ... Eagles WR Terrell Owens has 506 yards, the most after four games since Smith had 516 in 2000 ... Vikings punter Chris Kluwe is averaging 48.8 yards per punt, the highest average by a punter after his first four NFL games since Steve O'Neal of the 1969 Jets (50.1) ... Cards WR Anquan Boldin has 183 receptions, the most in NFL history after 30 games. The previous high was Lionel Taylor's 169 ...

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¢ Since last Nov. 28, the Bengals have a higher winning percentage (.800) than the Patriots (.778) ... Redskins RB Clinton Portis is averaging 87.7 rushing yards per game this year. He averaged 87.7 yards per game last year ... The Bengals have allowed 38 points in four games, the fewest they've allowed in any four-game stretch since the fifth through eighth weeks of 1976, when they gave up 36 ... Cards PK Neil Rackers has 16 field goals, the most in NFL history after four games. The previous high was 15, shared by Richie Cunningham of the Cowboys in 1997 and Gino Cappelletti of the Patriots in 1964 ... The Redskins have held eight straight opponents to 18 or fewer points, their longest streak since the last eight games of 1982. If they limit the Broncos to 18 or fewer points Sunday, it will be their longest such streak in 63 years, since they held 10 straight teams to under 19 points spanning the 1942 and 1943 seasons and including the 1942 NFL Championship Game ... The Colts have not allowed a TD in the first 55 minutes of any of their games this season.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ger/index.html

TheGambler · 10-07-2005, 09:14 AM

That was a pretty random and Saint-less article.

saintswhodi · 10-07-2005, 10:00 AM

Sorry, I like to know more about the NFL than just the Saints. But continue to limit yourself if that's what you feel the need to do.

I also happen to like Marc Bulger as a QB, former Saints as he is.

ScottyRo · 10-07-2005, 11:19 AM

Wait, I thought that falling behind and playing catchup reduced the validity of good stats. I'm sure I've heard AB bashers say that his stats look good only because of that. Are we going to have to question all of Bulger's stats now too?

ScottyRo · 10-07-2005, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheGambler

That was a pretty random and Saint-less article.

That was a pretty non-Saints related post.

oops. I did it, too.

saintswhodi · 10-07-2005, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

Wait, I thought that falling behind and playing catchup reduced the validity of good stats. I'm sure I've heard AB bashers say that his stats look good only because of that. Are we going to have to question all of Bulger's stats now too?

We could, but what are his completion percentages and QB ratings? He completes a high number of passes in these comebacks or shoot-outs, while others don't. But, can't question this:

So during a period of 11 weeks, Bulger has more games with 440 or more yards (three) than all other NFL quarterbacks combined (two).

Can't question this:

Bulger also passed for 453 yards against the Chargers in 2002, making him the first quarterback in NFL history with four 440-yard games in a four-year period. Dan Marino is the only quarterback in history with more -- but his were spread over an 11-year period.

Or this:

That means in the last 10 years, Bulger is the only QB with more than one 440-yard passing performance for the same team.

And he has four.

He has done things very few in history of the NFL has done. Where's the comparison?

ScottyRo · 10-07-2005, 11:33 AM

As with all Qbs and players for that matter the comparison is going to lie in: what did these record setting performance do to further his team's success? Bulger as a QB just doesn't scare me like Marino did. I use Marino because he was used above and because he is a good example of a QB that did a lot of record breaking, but never really took his team anywhere.

Is Marino a hall of fame QB? (Not is he in the HOF. Is he HOF caliber?) I have to say yes even though he didn't really win any big games. (Maybe 1 or 2) Bulger on the other hand is putting up good numbers, but hasn't quite done anything or been inspiring along the way. I'd put AB in this category.

saintswhodi · 10-07-2005, 11:37 AM

He's been to the playoffs a couple of times. That is doing something right? :P

As a gunslinger though, I think he is one of the best in the league. With what he has done, i'd put him in a category above AB because even with the number of sacks he takes, he rarely fumbles. I think the kid is pretty impressive personally, and wish he was racking up these numbers for us.

TheGambler · 10-07-2005, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Sorry, I like to know more about the NFL than just the Saints. But continue to limit yourself if that's what you feel the need to do.

Limit myself to Saints discussion? You're right, I have an overall tendency to do that when I come to blackandgold.net

I'm also shocked (if, by shocked, I mean "not at all surprised") that it didn't take long before Aaron Brooks's name came up when discussing Bulger. I am surprised that the usual suspect wasn't the one who started it though.

saintswhodi · 10-07-2005, 12:25 PM

Hmm, I guess you don't read the introduction to forum you visit. Click the Black and gold Country link above. Never mind, i'll do it. First line:

New Orleans Saints and NFL Discussion Board.

I can understand that NFL DISCUSSION BOARD part mighta got by you. Doesn't surprise me.

Gotta hand it to you though, when you make something up, you stick to it. Now do you wanna add to the discussion, or just make general random comments that have no value, as normal? I think Bulger has done pretty well for himself, althoughhe never really got the chance here.

10-06-2005, 10:08 AM	#1
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	NFL by the numbers On the Marc Rams' Bulger racking up unprecedented numbers Posted: Wednesday October 5, 2005 4:57PM; Updated: Wednesday October 5, 2005 5:33PM Marc Bulger has thrown for more than 440 yards three times in his career with the Rams. Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images Marc Bulger is the perfect quarterback for the Rams. They fall behind a lot; he loves to throw. Bulger on Sunday threw for 442 yards in the Rams' 44-24 loss to the Giants. That's the first time anyone has thrown for 440 yards in a game since Bulger passed for 450 yards against the Jets on the final weekend of last season. Bulger also passed for 448 yards against the Packers the 11th week of last year. Between that game and his 442-yard performance against the Giants, only two other QBs threw for 442 or more yards - the Titans Billy Volek (492 vs. the Raiders) and the Eagles Donovan McNabb (464 vs. the Packers). So during a period of 11 weeks, Bulger has more games with 440 or more yards (three) than all other NFL quarterbacks combined (two). There's more. Bulger also passed for 453 yards against the Chargers in 2002, making him the first quarterback in NFL history with four 440-yard games in a four-year period. Dan Marino is the only quarterback in history with more -- but his were spread over an 11-year period. Tommy Kramer of the Vikings had three 440-yard games, and only nine others have passed for that many yards twice in a game --- Jake Plummer, Vinny Testaverde, Randall Cunningham, Boomer Esiason, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Neil Lomax, Dan Fouts and Richard Todd. But Plummer, Testaverde and Cunningham -- the three who most recently preceded Bulger with multiple 440-yard games-- each had their two performances for different teams, Plummer for the Cards and Broncos, Testaverde with the Jets and Buccaneers and Cunningham with the Eagles and Vikings. That means in the last 10 years, Bulger is the only QB with more than one 440-yard passing performance for the same team. And he has four. Until this week, only Kramer (1980 and 1981) and Montana (1989 and 1990) had two efforts of 442 yards or better in the span of 11 starts. Bulger is also the first QB to complete 40 passes and throw for 442 or more yards in a game since Simms was 40-for-62 for 513 yards against the Bengals in 1985. Here is a look at Bulger's four career 440-yard passing efforts: Oct. 2, 2005: vs. N.Y. Giants 40-62, 442 yards Jan. 2, 2005, vs. N.Y. Jets (OT) 29-39, 450 yards Nov. 29, 2004, vs. Packers 35-53, 448 yards Nov. 10, 2002, vs. Chargers 36-48, 453 yards More Obscure, Absurd and Preposterous Stats from the NFL's Week 4 ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¢ Giants WR Plaxico Burress had 204 receiving yards against the Rams on Sunday, his second game with 204 or more yards over the past four years. He's the only receiver this decade with two games of 204 or more yards, and he now has more career 200-yard games than Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Paul Warfield, Andre Reed, Tim Brown, Cris Carter, Stanley Morgan and Muhsin Muhammad combined. Since Nov. 10, 2002, when Burress had 253 yards for the Steelers against the Falcons, only four other receivers have reached 204 yards in a game (Amani Toomer, Rod Smith, Anquan Boldin and Drew Bennett). Burress is the 13th player in NFL history to surpass 204 yards in a game more than once. The others: Jerry Rice (five times); Don Hutson, Charlie Hennigan, Isaac Bruce, Wes Chandler and Lance Alworth (three times); and Michael Irvin, James Lofton, Don Maynard, Carroll Dale, Stephone Paige and Jimmy Smith (twice). The only other player with a 204-yard game for two different teams was Lofton, who on Oct. 15, 1984, caught 11-for-206 for the Packers against the Broncos and on Oct. 21, 1991, grabbed 8-for-220 for the Bills against the Bengals. The last to have two 204-yard games closer together than Burress was Smith, who had a 220-yard game against the Saints in 1999 and a 291-yard game against the Ravens in 2000. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¢ Eagles QB Donovan McNabb has thrown for 342 or more yards in three straight games, the first NFL QB to do that since Kurt Warner, then with the Rams, opened the 2000 season by passing for 441 yards vs. the Broncos, 386 vs. the Seahawks and 394 yards vs. the 49ers ... The Cards have won as many games in Central America since mid-December as they've won in the U.S. ... The four starting QBs who also have brothers playing quarterback in the NFL -- Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Josh McCown and Matt Hasselbeck -- completed 66% of their passes (97-for-146) last weekend, for 1,187 yards with 11 TDs and 0 INTs and a combined 116.4 passer rating ... The NFL's four undefeated teams had a combined 31-33 record last year ... Eagles WR Terrell Owens has 506 yards, the most after four games since Smith had 516 in 2000 ... Vikings punter Chris Kluwe is averaging 48.8 yards per punt, the highest average by a punter after his first four NFL games since Steve O'Neal of the 1969 Jets (50.1) ... Cards WR Anquan Boldin has 183 receptions, the most in NFL history after 30 games. The previous high was Lionel Taylor's 169 ... ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¢ Since last Nov. 28, the Bengals have a higher winning percentage (.800) than the Patriots (.778) ... Redskins RB Clinton Portis is averaging 87.7 rushing yards per game this year. He averaged 87.7 yards per game last year ... The Bengals have allowed 38 points in four games, the fewest they've allowed in any four-game stretch since the fifth through eighth weeks of 1976, when they gave up 36 ... Cards PK Neil Rackers has 16 field goals, the most in NFL history after four games. The previous high was 15, shared by Richie Cunningham of the Cowboys in 1997 and Gino Cappelletti of the Patriots in 1964 ... The Redskins have held eight straight opponents to 18 or fewer points, their longest streak since the last eight games of 1982. If they limit the Broncos to 18 or fewer points Sunday, it will be their longest such streak in 63 years, since they held 10 straight teams to under 19 points spanning the 1942 and 1943 seasons and including the 1942 NFL Championship Game ... The Colts have not allowed a TD in the first 55 minutes of any of their games this season. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ger/index.html

10-07-2005, 09:14 AM	#2
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	That was a pretty random and Saint-less article.
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10-07-2005, 11:19 AM	#5
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Originally Posted by TheGambler That was a pretty random and Saint-less article. That was a pretty non-Saints related post. oops. I did it, too.

10-07-2005, 11:24 AM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by ScottyRo Wait, I thought that falling behind and playing catchup reduced the validity of good stats. I'm sure I've heard AB bashers say that his stats look good only because of that. Are we going to have to question all of Bulger's stats now too? We could, but what are his completion percentages and QB ratings? He completes a high number of passes in these comebacks or shoot-outs, while others don't. But, can't question this: So during a period of 11 weeks, Bulger has more games with 440 or more yards (three) than all other NFL quarterbacks combined (two). Can't question this: Bulger also passed for 453 yards against the Chargers in 2002, making him the first quarterback in NFL history with four 440-yard games in a four-year period. Dan Marino is the only quarterback in history with more -- but his were spread over an 11-year period. Or this: That means in the last 10 years, Bulger is the only QB with more than one 440-yard passing performance for the same team. And he has four. He has done things very few in history of the NFL has done. Where's the comparison?

10-07-2005, 12:19 PM	#9
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Sorry, I like to know more about the NFL than just the Saints. But continue to limit yourself if that's what you feel the need to do. Limit myself to Saints discussion? You're right, I have an overall tendency to do that when I come to blackandgold.net I'm also shocked (if, by shocked, I mean "not at all surprised") that it didn't take long before Aaron Brooks's name came up when discussing Bulger. I am surprised that the usual suspect wasn't the one who started it though.
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10-07-2005, 10:00 AM	#3
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Sorry, I like to know more about the NFL than just the Saints. But continue to limit yourself if that's what you feel the need to do. I also happen to like Marc Bulger as a QB, former Saints as he is.

10-07-2005, 11:33 AM	#7
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	As with all Qbs and players for that matter the comparison is going to lie in: what did these record setting performance do to further his team's success? Bulger as a QB just doesn't scare me like Marino did. I use Marino because he was used above and because he is a good example of a QB that did a lot of record breaking, but never really took his team anywhere. Is Marino a hall of fame QB? (Not is he in the HOF. Is he HOF caliber?) I have to say yes even though he didn't really win any big games. (Maybe 1 or 2) Bulger on the other hand is putting up good numbers, but hasn't quite done anything or been inspiring along the way. I'd put AB in this category.

10-07-2005, 11:37 AM	#8
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	He's been to the playoffs a couple of times. That is doing something right? :P As a gunslinger though, I think he is one of the best in the league. With what he has done, i'd put him in a category above AB because even with the number of sacks he takes, he rarely fumbles. I think the kid is pretty impressive personally, and wish he was racking up these numbers for us.

10-07-2005, 12:25 PM	#10
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Hmm, I guess you don't read the introduction to forum you visit. Click the Black and gold Country link above. Never mind, i'll do it. First line: New Orleans Saints and NFL Discussion Board. I can understand that NFL DISCUSSION BOARD part mighta got by you. Doesn't surprise me. Gotta hand it to you though, when you make something up, you stick to it. Now do you wanna add to the discussion, or just make general random comments that have no value, as normal? I think Bulger has done pretty well for himself, althoughhe never really got the chance here.