Lavar Arrington

TallySaint · 10-06-2005, 02:12 PM

Either one would make me happy though...

Yep. No doubt. Stats aren't everything but take a look at the defensive stats at the bottom of the page....

http://seminoles.collegesports.com/s...tiveStats.html

Note that D. Nicholson has produced with very limited playing time.

Just FYI. Have a good afternoon, papz.

8)

saintswhodi · 10-06-2005, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by 4saintspirit

I think Lavar has some juice left -- and would be an improvement to our linebacking core but Arrington' stock is a little low right now so he defintely will get cut next year -- and his large salary will go down a notch or 2. That is when I would take him. I would not trade Howard for him unless we got something else like a number 2

As far as I understand it, if we traded for Lavar, the Redskins are resposible for his bonus money, which is the VAST majority of his salary. I think he only makes the vets minimum as actual salary. Yup he is only making $540,000 as a base salary this year and next. All that money is in bonuses, of which the Redskins are responsible.

Arrington, LaVar
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info

LB (#)
Year: 2000

Washington Redskins
Round: 1

Fairfax, VA
Position: 2

Salary History

2000 193000.00
2001 300000.00
2002 1120000.00
2003 450000.00
2004 535000.00
2005 540000.00
2006 545000.00
2007 2000000.00
2008 3500000.00
2009 5500000.00
2010 6000000.00
2011 7000000.00

We really wouldn't be in a bind until 2009, if we are not getting 5.5 mil worth of play out of him at that point. His bonus would have been paid already by Washington as it would accelerate onto their cap because of the trade. More than likely if they wait until the offseason and cut him it's less of a hit, but then they may miss a chance at Howard if that was the deal since he will be a FA as well. With that said, I agree we should also get a 2nd round pick, or at least a third, for Howard included if we were to do a trade with them. Howard's value is much higher than Lavar's right now.

SaintStoneyMount · 10-06-2005, 06:09 PM

I don't know about changing to 3-4 from 4-3. Not with Venturi at the helm. Venturi shouldn't be defensive coordinator. But I remember hearing during the offseason that the Saints brought in a coach under Venturi who has taken a lot of his responsibilities. I don't know if that is true. On another note the defense look good against Buffalo and has showed some spark in other games. My hope is that they are starting to regain the form displayed in the last four weeks of the 2004 season. YOu can't draw much from the Buffalo game because I think their offense is Doo Doo. Green Bay may give me a further indication, but the Atlanta game will tell the true tale. And I hope our defense is up to the task.

TheDeuce · 10-06-2005, 06:59 PM

Going back to the 3-4.... I wouldn't mind seeing us switch to the 3-4, but we just simply don't have the personnel. Our linebackers aren't very good, so why would we want to put more of them on the field at one time? Even if we did pick up Arrington, we'd still only have one good linebacker. If you look at all those other good 3-4 teams, they all have good linebackers. Just a thought...

TallySaint · 10-06-2005, 07:37 PM

Arrington is a talent. If we pursue and land him, fine. We can use the help.

But we're 4-3.

8)

BlackandBlue · 10-06-2005, 08:24 PM

There's not a single DT on this team right now that could effectively play the nose.

AllSaints · 10-06-2005, 08:59 PM

Ah im not gunna get excited like we will make a move to get him..... so till it happens i have nothing to say.

papz · 10-07-2005, 12:26 AM

This is really offseason talk here... with the Saints missing the playoffs and us overhauling the coaching staff. DT if we do decide to switch could and will be addressed through free agency and the NFL draft. We can only wish for those Dome Patrol days again.

saintswhodi · 10-07-2005, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

First off Stallworth can become a Freeagent in March, Bentley is almost assured to leave. Now for someone to say that we will draft a LB possibly and not need Lavar Arrington?? Do we have 3 starting caliber LB'S? Do we have 2??

C.Watson is not a MLB, Colby is a nice story hustler whatever but he wouldn't be starting on any other team right now, so that should say something. Allen is all we hope he does something but never does, so we have 2 starting LB'S wide-open, and need to put Colby and Allen as backups.

Um, where did you read that about Stallworth? The only voidable year on his contract is 2007.

(Stallworth is signed through 2006 with a voidable option for 2007).
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tpsport...06.html#085580
Article:

Tobias-Reiper · 10-07-2005, 10:33 AM

..being that I follow the 'Skins since I lived in DC for so many years, I'll say that I like LaVar, he's got talent, but the production on the field does not reflect the talent level... he'll amaze you with a play here and there, but then he'll be out of position, overpursue, etc...

.. that said, yeah, I would love to see him in B&G with a DC not named Venturi

10-06-2005, 04:00 PM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by 4saintspirit I think Lavar has some juice left -- and would be an improvement to our linebacking core but Arrington' stock is a little low right now so he defintely will get cut next year -- and his large salary will go down a notch or 2. That is when I would take him. I would not trade Howard for him unless we got something else like a number 2 As far as I understand it, if we traded for Lavar, the Redskins are resposible for his bonus money, which is the VAST majority of his salary. I think he only makes the vets minimum as actual salary. Yup he is only making $540,000 as a base salary this year and next. All that money is in bonuses, of which the Redskins are responsible. Arrington, LaVar View Stats at Players Inc Site Player Info Draft Info LB (#) Year: 2000 Washington Redskins Round: 1 Fairfax, VA Position: 2 Salary History 2000 193000.00 2001 300000.00 2002 1120000.00 2003 450000.00 2004 535000.00 2005 540000.00 2006 545000.00 2007 2000000.00 2008 3500000.00 2009 5500000.00 2010 6000000.00 2011 7000000.00 We really wouldn't be in a bind until 2009, if we are not getting 5.5 mil worth of play out of him at that point. His bonus would have been paid already by Washington as it would accelerate onto their cap because of the trade. More than likely if they wait until the offseason and cut him it's less of a hit, but then they may miss a chance at Howard if that was the deal since he will be a FA as well. With that said, I agree we should also get a 2nd round pick, or at least a third, for Howard included if we were to do a trade with them. Howard's value is much higher than Lavar's right now.

10-06-2005, 06:09 PM	#13
SaintStoneyMount 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Stone Mountain, GA Posts: 448	I don't know about changing to 3-4 from 4-3. Not with Venturi at the helm. Venturi shouldn't be defensive coordinator. But I remember hearing during the offseason that the Saints brought in a coach under Venturi who has taken a lot of his responsibilities. I don't know if that is true. On another note the defense look good against Buffalo and has showed some spark in other games. My hope is that they are starting to regain the form displayed in the last four weeks of the 2004 season. YOu can't draw much from the Buffalo game because I think their offense is Doo Doo. Green Bay may give me a further indication, but the Atlanta game will tell the true tale. And I hope our defense is up to the task.
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10-06-2005, 06:59 PM	#14
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Going back to the 3-4.... I wouldn't mind seeing us switch to the 3-4, but we just simply don't have the personnel. Our linebackers aren't very good, so why would we want to put more of them on the field at one time? Even if we did pick up Arrington, we'd still only have one good linebacker. If you look at all those other good 3-4 teams, they all have good linebackers. Just a thought...
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10-07-2005, 10:05 AM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackonBlack First off Stallworth can become a Freeagent in March, Bentley is almost assured to leave. Now for someone to say that we will draft a LB possibly and not need Lavar Arrington?? Do we have 3 starting caliber LB'S? Do we have 2?? C.Watson is not a MLB, Colby is a nice story hustler whatever but he wouldn't be starting on any other team right now, so that should say something. Allen is all we hope he does something but never does, so we have 2 starting LB'S wide-open, and need to put Colby and Allen as backups. Um, where did you read that about Stallworth? The only voidable year on his contract is 2007. (Stallworth is signed through 2006 with a voidable option for 2007). http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tpsport...06.html#085580 Article:

10-06-2005, 02:12 PM	#11
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	Either one would make me happy though... Yep. No doubt. Stats aren't everything but take a look at the defensive stats at the bottom of the page.... http://seminoles.collegesports.com/s...tiveStats.html Note that D. Nicholson has produced with very limited playing time. Just FYI. Have a good afternoon, papz. 8)

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10-06-2005, 07:37 PM	#15
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	Arrington is a talent. If we pursue and land him, fine. We can use the help. But we're 4-3. 8)

10-06-2005, 08:24 PM	#16
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	There's not a single DT on this team right now that could effectively play the nose.

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AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Ah im not gunna get excited like we will make a move to get him..... so till it happens i have nothing to say.

10-07-2005, 12:26 AM	#18
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	This is really offseason talk here... with the Saints missing the playoffs and us overhauling the coaching staff. DT if we do decide to switch could and will be addressed through free agency and the NFL draft. We can only wish for those Dome Patrol days again.

10-07-2005, 10:33 AM	#20
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	..being that I follow the 'Skins since I lived in DC for so many years, I'll say that I like LaVar, he's got talent, but the production on the field does not reflect the talent level... he'll amaze you with a play here and there, but then he'll be out of position, overpursue, etc... .. that said, yeah, I would love to see him in B&G with a DC not named Venturi