Official 2023 Saints Draft Thread

K Major · 04-27-2023, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

I hope he can get or is healthy. He was very good against the run a few years ago but and average pass rusher at times. I watched him a lot last year and he look late off the ball and very inconsistent against top talent teams.

What are they saying about him?

Legitimate speed and size. Mostly 1st round grades throughout.

If he’s over the injuries (ACL, shoulder), he has the potential to become a junk yard dawg. And from I see, he’s actually solid against the run.

Checks a lot of boxes considering he fell to the bottom of the 1st rd.

Pro comparison- Chris Jones

Rsanders24 · 04-27-2023, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Legitimate speed and size. Mostly 1st round grades throughout.

If he’s over the injuries (ACL, shoulder), he has the potential to become a junk yard dawg. And from I see, he’s actually solid against the run.

Checks a lot of boxes considering he fell to the bottom of the 1st rd.

Pro comparison- Chris Jones

I really hope he beats this injury bug. If we get the previous Freshman and Sophomore version I think he will be a good one!

SmashMouth · 04-27-2023, 11:27 PM

Pre-Draft Analysis
Bresee is a dominant run defender with the strength to stack and shed blockers. He has the quick hands and feet to slip and split linemen. He locates the football quickly, chases down ball carriers and is an effective tackler. As a pass-rusher, he needs to improve his ability to string together multiple moves. He's powerful and flashes as a hand fighter. -- Steve Muench

Matt Miller's NFL comp: Zach Allen

Post-Draft Analysis
Bresee is a powerful interior defensive lineman with the size to control the line of scrimmage. With Khalen Saunders added in free agency, Bresee will be asked to start next to him, with Cameron Jordan flanking them. Bresee has tremendous upside if he can stay healthy and is a natural fit in a 4-3 front. -- Miller

Projected Year 1 impact: High-impact Day 1 starter. Bresee enters a team that desperately needs help along the interior, and he brings a young pass rush presence that's also stout against the run.

SmashMouth · 04-27-2023, 11:30 PM

Overall decent pick... for pick 29, can't really complain in a deep DT draft. The best safety and G were there for the taking, as well as the second best TE. As KMajor says, if he stays healthy, it's a good fit.

BakoSaint · 04-27-2023, 11:45 PM

I don't love that we drafted a player with an injury history, but its one injury, so a lot better than if it was a chronic series of injuries. If he doesn't stay healthy the front office needs to look in the mirror, not curse the heavens, because this was a known thing, but he certainly may stay healthy. If he reinjures the ACL in the 1st quarter of our first preseason game and retires and we go 0-17, ok, we have the 1st overall pick in the 2024 draft. Thats the great thing about not trading up, if we miss, we got insurance in the form of value added to our pick next year.

I do love that we didn't trade up, drafted a position of need, and still have all our 2024 picks.

It would be better if he had returned to dominance in 2022 but then we might have traded our 2024 1st round pick to move up and get him. I see he had a kidney infection in 2022 and I could see how that might slow a person down for awhile, so I don't like any excuses, but I like a lot of other excuses worse than that one.

I am glad we didn't draft a TE. I think the position is just too unpredictable to spend high picks on. Also TE almost never contribute the first year. And then if they do somehow develop in later years to justify a big second contract, they rarely hold up to justify that contract. And fit is such a complicated factor for a TE in an offense, very few are successful with two teams. Meanwhile, all kinds of mid round TE are incredibly successful because they happen to be the guy who can become a workout warrior to the next level in the pros with great facilities and no classes, and they happen to be the rare guy who can go over the middle in the nfl and bruise people without falling apart themselves. Its so unpredictable who can be that guy at TE in the NFL. So many of the sure things at TE in the nfl draft miss, and if they do happen to hit, they still rarely get a ring without an elite QB. So I am glad if we never draft a TE in the 1st or 2nd round in the rest of our franchise history.

I think it was stupid that the Falcons spent a top 10 pick on a RB. Yeah he is great. Fournette was great. Edward Helaire was great. Nadjee Harris was great. Breece Hall hasn't torn an ACL posting Aaron Rodgers memes on twitter yet. 50/50 this guy won't be better than the RB we signed for $4 million a year in free agency.

SmashMouth · 04-27-2023, 11:46 PM

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saintsfan1976 · 04-28-2023, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I don't love that we drafted a player with an injury history, but its one injury, so a lot better than if it was a chronic series of injuries. If he doesn't stay healthy the front office needs to look in the mirror, not curse the heavens, because this was a known thing, but he certainly may stay healthy. If he reinjures the ACL in the 1st quarter of our first preseason game and retires and we go 0-17, ok, we have the 1st overall pick in the 2024 draft. Thats the great thing about not trading up, if we miss, we got insurance in the form of value added to our pick next year.

I do love that we didn't trade up, drafted a position of need, and still have all our 2024 picks.

It would be better if he had returned to dominance in 2022 but then we might have traded our 2024 1st round pick to move up and get him. I see he had a kidney infection in 2022 and I could see how that might slow a person down for awhile, so I don't like any excuses, but I like a lot of other excuses worse than that one.

I am glad we didn't draft a TE. I think the position is just too unpredictable to spend high picks on. Also TE almost never contribute the first year. And then if they do somehow develop in later years to justify a big second contract, they rarely hold up to justify that contract. And fit is such a complicated factor for a TE in an offense, very few are successful with two teams. Meanwhile, all kinds of mid round TE are incredibly successful because they happen to be the guy who can become a workout warrior to the next level in the pros with great facilities and no classes, and they happen to be the rare guy who can go over the middle in the nfl and bruise people without falling apart themselves. Its so unpredictable who can be that guy at TE in the NFL. So many of the sure things at TE in the nfl draft miss, and if they do happen to hit, they still rarely get a ring without an elite QB. So I am glad if we never draft a TE in the 1st or 2nd round in the rest of our franchise history.

I think it was stupid that the Falcons spent a top 10 pick on a RB. Yeah he is great. Fournette was great. Edward Helaire was great. Nadjee Harris was great. Breece Hall hasn't torn an ACL posting Aaron Rodgers memes on twitter yet. 50/50 this guy won't be better than the RB we signed for $4 million a year in free agency.

The exception to your take on TE is Darnell Washington.

Absolutely worthy of selecting with our second pick, possibly even trading up.

He would immediately improve our run game and create matchup problems especially in the red zone.

I hope we take him next.

SmashMouth · 04-28-2023, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

The exception to your take on TE is Darnell Washington.

Absolutely worthy of selecting with our second pick, possibly even trading up.

He would immediately improve our run game and create matchup problems especially in the red zone.

I hope we take him next.

It might happen... it's only nine picks away.

SmashMouth · 04-28-2023, 06:40 AM

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04-27-2023, 11:09 PM	#71
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,065 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Official 2023 Saints Draft Thread Originally Posted by Rsanders24 I hope he can get or is healthy. He was very good against the run a few years ago but and average pass rusher at times. I watched him a lot last year and he look late off the ball and very inconsistent against top talent teams. What are they saying about him? Legitimate speed and size. Mostly 1st round grades throughout. If he’s over the injuries (ACL, shoulder), he has the potential to become a junk yard dawg. And from I see, he’s actually solid against the run. Checks a lot of boxes considering he fell to the bottom of the 1st rd. Pro comparison- Chris Jones neugey, Rsanders24 and SmashMouth like this.

04-27-2023, 11:21 PM	#72
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,474	Re: Official 2023 Saints Draft Thread Originally Posted by K Major Legitimate speed and size. Mostly 1st round grades throughout. If he’s over the injuries (ACL, shoulder), he has the potential to become a junk yard dawg. And from I see, he’s actually solid against the run. Checks a lot of boxes considering he fell to the bottom of the 1st rd. Pro comparison- Chris Jones I really hope he beats this injury bug. If we get the previous Freshman and Sophomore version I think he will be a good one! K Major likes this.

04-27-2023, 11:27 PM	#73
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,107 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Official 2023 Saints Draft Thread Pre-Draft Analysis Bresee is a dominant run defender with the strength to stack and shed blockers. He has the quick hands and feet to slip and split linemen. He locates the football quickly, chases down ball carriers and is an effective tackler. As a pass-rusher, he needs to improve his ability to string together multiple moves. He's powerful and flashes as a hand fighter. -- Steve Muench Matt Miller's NFL comp: Zach Allen Post-Draft Analysis Bresee is a powerful interior defensive lineman with the size to control the line of scrimmage. With Khalen Saunders added in free agency, Bresee will be asked to start next to him, with Cameron Jordan flanking them. Bresee has tremendous upside if he can stay healthy and is a natural fit in a 4-3 front. -- Miller Projected Year 1 impact: High-impact Day 1 starter. Bresee enters a team that desperately needs help along the interior, and he brings a young pass rush presence that's also stout against the run. K Major likes this.

04-27-2023, 11:30 PM	#74
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,107 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Official 2023 Saints Draft Thread Overall decent pick... for pick 29, can't really complain in a deep DT draft. The best safety and G were there for the taking, as well as the second best TE. As KMajor says, if he stays healthy, it's a good fit.

04-27-2023, 11:45 PM	#75
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,765	Re: Official 2023 Saints Draft Thread I don't love that we drafted a player with an injury history, but its one injury, so a lot better than if it was a chronic series of injuries. If he doesn't stay healthy the front office needs to look in the mirror, not curse the heavens, because this was a known thing, but he certainly may stay healthy. If he reinjures the ACL in the 1st quarter of our first preseason game and retires and we go 0-17, ok, we have the 1st overall pick in the 2024 draft. Thats the great thing about not trading up, if we miss, we got insurance in the form of value added to our pick next year. I do love that we didn't trade up, drafted a position of need, and still have all our 2024 picks. It would be better if he had returned to dominance in 2022 but then we might have traded our 2024 1st round pick to move up and get him. I see he had a kidney infection in 2022 and I could see how that might slow a person down for awhile, so I don't like any excuses, but I like a lot of other excuses worse than that one. I am glad we didn't draft a TE. I think the position is just too unpredictable to spend high picks on. Also TE almost never contribute the first year. And then if they do somehow develop in later years to justify a big second contract, they rarely hold up to justify that contract. And fit is such a complicated factor for a TE in an offense, very few are successful with two teams. Meanwhile, all kinds of mid round TE are incredibly successful because they happen to be the guy who can become a workout warrior to the next level in the pros with great facilities and no classes, and they happen to be the rare guy who can go over the middle in the nfl and bruise people without falling apart themselves. Its so unpredictable who can be that guy at TE in the NFL. So many of the sure things at TE in the nfl draft miss, and if they do happen to hit, they still rarely get a ring without an elite QB. So I am glad if we never draft a TE in the 1st or 2nd round in the rest of our franchise history. I think it was stupid that the Falcons spent a top 10 pick on a RB. Yeah he is great. Fournette was great. Edward Helaire was great. Nadjee Harris was great. Breece Hall hasn't torn an ACL posting Aaron Rodgers memes on twitter yet. 50/50 this guy won't be better than the RB we signed for $4 million a year in free agency. iceshack149, neugey and SmashMouth like this.
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04-28-2023, 06:24 AM	#78
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,549 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Official 2023 Saints Draft Thread Originally Posted by BakoSaint I don't love that we drafted a player with an injury history, but its one injury, so a lot better than if it was a chronic series of injuries. If he doesn't stay healthy the front office needs to look in the mirror, not curse the heavens, because this was a known thing, but he certainly may stay healthy. If he reinjures the ACL in the 1st quarter of our first preseason game and retires and we go 0-17, ok, we have the 1st overall pick in the 2024 draft. Thats the great thing about not trading up, if we miss, we got insurance in the form of value added to our pick next year. I do love that we didn't trade up, drafted a position of need, and still have all our 2024 picks. It would be better if he had returned to dominance in 2022 but then we might have traded our 2024 1st round pick to move up and get him. I see he had a kidney infection in 2022 and I could see how that might slow a person down for awhile, so I don't like any excuses, but I like a lot of other excuses worse than that one. I am glad we didn't draft a TE. I think the position is just too unpredictable to spend high picks on. Also TE almost never contribute the first year. And then if they do somehow develop in later years to justify a big second contract, they rarely hold up to justify that contract. And fit is such a complicated factor for a TE in an offense, very few are successful with two teams. Meanwhile, all kinds of mid round TE are incredibly successful because they happen to be the guy who can become a workout warrior to the next level in the pros with great facilities and no classes, and they happen to be the rare guy who can go over the middle in the nfl and bruise people without falling apart themselves. Its so unpredictable who can be that guy at TE in the NFL. So many of the sure things at TE in the nfl draft miss, and if they do happen to hit, they still rarely get a ring without an elite QB. So I am glad if we never draft a TE in the 1st or 2nd round in the rest of our franchise history. I think it was stupid that the Falcons spent a top 10 pick on a RB. Yeah he is great. Fournette was great. Edward Helaire was great. Nadjee Harris was great. Breece Hall hasn't torn an ACL posting Aaron Rodgers memes on twitter yet. 50/50 this guy won't be better than the RB we signed for $4 million a year in free agency. The exception to your take on TE is Darnell Washington. Absolutely worthy of selecting with our second pick, possibly even trading up. He would immediately improve our run game and create matchup problems especially in the red zone. I hope we take him next. Rsanders24 likes this.

04-28-2023, 06:36 AM	#79
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,107 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Official 2023 Saints Draft Thread Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 The exception to your take on TE is Darnell Washington. Absolutely worthy of selecting with our second pick, possibly even trading up. He would immediately improve our run game and create matchup problems especially in the red zone. I hope we take him next. It might happen... it's only nine picks away.