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Why did they “have” to take it with Book? Why do they have to take it in this draft? They have 3 guys who can play QB on the roster. That’s for 1 position. They didn’t have to take it. We aren’t that deep in skill positions when we started Smith, Kirkwood and Callaway in a game last year. But go ahead and believe 100% of the moves the Saints make without question and tell others that have doubts to chill out if that makes you feel better. I Don’t see why it bothers you so much when I express my thoughts.

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*smdh*

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So, no answer to valid questions.

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So let’s look at this “crap shoot” that is finding a starting NFL QB for your team. I just did a quick accounting, and by what I see vast Majority of starting quarterbacks in the league were selected in the first round. Practically all of the young “star” QBs are first rounders, except for a couple that were in the second round. Wilson was a third rounder. Cousins and Prescott were both fourth rounders. These are the QBs That have establish themselves as viable starting QBs or are 1 or second year QBs

So, if you mean by crapshoot, you don’t know whether or not the guy you draft is going to pay it out that is true. But if you mean by crapshoot that you are likely to find a starting quarterback in any round of the draft, you’re wrong. It’s more likely that your starter is going to be an early round pick and not a guy selected in the fourth round. It’s more likely that a starting player at any other position is going to be found in the fourth round, rather than drafting a QB there. Again, these are just my observations and why I question some of the pics the Saints made (and have made) in the draft.

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A lot of the best starting QBs in the league are 1st rounders who fell out of the top 5 because of concerns but still went somewhere in the 1st round. Several others fell to the 2nd or 3rd round but were big name college QBs who were discussed as possible 1st round picks like Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts. Some recent retirees like Brees and Brady are also valid to discuss. In general, finding a great starting QB in round 3 or later is rare and becomes increasingly rare by round. But the 1st and early 2nd round can be more of a crap shoot. To me what this says is that there can be a strong argument to take your shot with a QB like Levis or Hooker. The league can be obsessed with trends and fads. A lot of great QBs are taken in picks 6-12 of the draft and I think thats the sweet spot to take a shot because the results have often been the same or better than picks 1-5, perhaps due to the difficulty of evaluating that precisely, the extra pressure of being a top 5 picks, top 5 picks going to worse teams, teams giving up too much to get a top 5 pick, and players having more of a chip on their shoulder when they are not the first QB taken.

Also, where mid round QBs have been successful, they have often got their opportunities because they went to teams that had roster space to let a young QB develop with the second team and get them reps. By clogging the roster with veteran backups in order to defer painful cap hits we make it a little harder to properly develop a mid round pick who will probably just be a backup but has the upside to be the next Cousins or Prescott or Wilson. The 49ers would not have Brock Purdy if they had Winston and Hill backing up Garoppolo because they never wanted to take the cap hit to move on from any of them.

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As I've mentioned earlier today, I don't see Haener or any other QB taken after the first round as being anything more than a full-time backup some day. So you and I agree on that. But we all know that a backup QB is vital in today's NFL. We need to keep looking to have a serviceable player at QB that doesn't carry the cap hit of a Winston. The fourth round is no guarantee for any position. But, once again, I think the team has a far better idea of what their needs are than I do. That is a guarantee. :D

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And you can find a quality RB in the 3-4 rounds of the draft as well. Just watching his high-lites he reminds me of one of the great RB's from two decades ago, Curtis Martin. Same build, same style. It's just a comparison. I'm not saying that he's the next Curtis Martin but I'm certainly warming up to this pick.

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Drew did have Deuce, Reggie, Pierre, Mark and AK.

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Right. And to your point, was it 2011 when the Saints ran out of options at RB and they couldn't run the ball any longer--therefore not making it to their 2nd Superbowl?

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Vernon Davis was covered by our RBs?

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Harper and Jenkins might've done better at RB than at Safety that day...

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The locals (Dallas/Ft. Worth) up here did an analysis of all of the recent TCU draft picks (8) & a few things that caught my interest when they spoke about Miller ...

He didn't have to be "the" guy carrying the ball as a senior. So he's fresh.

His overall vision & ability to gain extra yards (avg 5.0 in 2022) AFTER his initial contact. IDK, maybe it's his jump-cut ability or quick decisiveness but he forced 71 (ranked 12th in NCAA) missed tackles.

Kendre just seems to be able to make defenders miss & was nice in the screen game. Dare I say shades of Pierre Thomas??

He could see the field as a rookie. Good luck at camp sir :bng: .

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I’m in a dynasty fantasy football league. We had our first all rookie draft yesterday. Nobody in our league had Miller ranked lower than the third best RB. Two others had him right behind Bijan. Without that injury he goes before Zach Charbonnet.

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I bet this guy will be deadly with the screen pass

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You might say that... see my post on the 2nd page of this thread;

"This guy is a good RB but this pick has me scratching my head a little. Aside from the obvious that Kamara will likely face some penalty, I am still on the fence with this move. Although when I watch him he reminds me a little of Pierre Thomas who is one of my favorite Saints backs. He also has a great average after contact."

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Ahh, totally missed your post :bng:

Imagine if he excels in the screen game like Pierre.

Money.

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Joe's take on two of our draft picks.

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His film looks good and he is a hard worker that his coaches speak highly of. We needed a RB and we got what looks like a good one that can block. I wonder how good is blitz pick up is? If he can pick up the blitz he'll see the field sooner.

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So his size 14 feet , allegedly , are probably a factor in his abilities. That's big beet for a man of his stature.

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That’s definitely big for his stature, but his abilities look pretty good to me from what I’ve seen. I hope he turns out to be a beast. I know we weren’t the only team after him

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That’s definitely big for his stature, but his abilities look pretty good to me from what I’ve seen. I hope he turns out to be a beast. I know we weren’t the only team after him according to Ireland.
**sorry for the double post**

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Patience (see Lavion Bell) and the ability to make defenders miss.

Training camp awaits Mr. Miller.

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He's got giant feet, supposedly.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/NFIhD...giphy.gif&ct=g

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I’m sure I’ll catch some flak for saying this, but I’m a little tired about hearing what RBs can do in the passing game. I know they are valuable but Derrick Henry isn’t a big receiving threat out of the backfield. His best years he averaged under 20 catches per season. All i’m saying is I miss a back you could line up and hand the ball to reliably. I think that type of back has lost its value in the league in favor of more “versatile” backs.

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Don't disagree , but the game has changed . The Earl Campbells are not wanted anymore . It's a shame really.

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Yup. The game has changed across the board. Teams are now looking for multidimensionality at all positions. According to Spotrac positional salaries, the average salary for a RB is the lowest for any starting player on offense or defense except for the FB. They also have the shortest average career length. A high school RB can convert to either strong or free safety and eventually make THREE times more and play for twice as long. You just don't see those Earl Campbell types anymore. Just like you don't see single bar face masks. The games has indeed changed.

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PT was the king of screens. AK established the new prototype for an NFL RB. Running and blocking have taken a back seat to pass catching. Miller wasn't utilized much as a pass catcher in college, but you can bet the Saints coaches are focusing heavily on pass catching and running routes properly without showing tells to the DB.

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Don’t get me wrong Rugs, I love what Kamara has done on the field. But Faulk, Watters, and Thurman Thomas (among others) set the way for that style of play from running backs. He (Kamara) wasn’t the prototype, but he’s like the later versions of the Terminator RBs when it comes to dual threats.

But again, I’m not sure that’s what I want from my RB. Jamal Williams had a thousand rushing yards with 17 TDs last year and only 12’catches last year. I’m not sure the idea of a guy who can rush well and not catch is a thing of the past.

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From what I've heard Jamaal can catch, he just wasn't called upon to do much of it. Detroit just didn't seem to demand the versatility out of their backs the way the Saints have done. D'Andre Swift had 70 targets to Jamaal's 16. Conversely, Jamaal had 262 carries to Swift's 99. I would think the defense had an idea of what was being called in most of the situations.

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I’m fine with him not catching more. Would Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Bettis or Ironhead been better if they caught more passes? I don’t think so. Sometimes you need a guy to run for the hard yards. That’s my point. I think (could be wrong) that it’s overrated to assess a back’s ability out of the backfield. If I want to throw the ball I’ll get WRs and TEs.

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When you get your own team you can do just that. ;) :D

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Just saw that Adrian Peterson is ready for another shot. He’s 38. I bring this up NOT because I want him signed. Just to point out that he is just shy of 15,000 yards for his career. That’s way more than twice what Ingram got rushing for the Saints. Pretty amazing numbers.