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Boston Saint 05-21-2023 12:43 PM

Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller
 
I’m sure I’ll catch some flak for saying this, but I’m a little tired about hearing what RBs can do in the passing game. I know they are valuable but Derrick Henry isn’t a big receiving threat out of the backfield. His best years he averaged under 20 catches per season. All i’m saying is I miss a back you could line up and hand the ball to reliably. I think that type of back has lost its value in the league in favor of more “versatile” backs.

SmashMouth 05-21-2023 07:21 PM

Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 974441)
I’m sure I’ll catch some flak for saying this, but I’m a little tired about hearing what RBs can do in the passing game. I know they are valuable but Derrick Henry isn’t a big receiving threat out of the backfield. His best years he averaged under 20 catches per season. All i’m saying is I miss a back you could line up and hand the ball to reliably. I think that type of back has lost its value in the league in favor of more “versatile” backs.

Don't disagree , but the game has changed . The Earl Campbells are not wanted anymore . It's a shame really.

SmashMouth 05-22-2023 02:48 AM

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AsylumGuido 05-22-2023 08:04 AM

Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 974447)
Don't disagree , but the game has changed . The Earl Campbells are not wanted anymore . It's a shame really.

Yup. The game has changed across the board. Teams are now looking for multidimensionality at all positions. According to Spotrac positional salaries, the average salary for a RB is the lowest for any starting player on offense or defense except for the FB. They also have the shortest average career length. A high school RB can convert to either strong or free safety and eventually make THREE times more and play for twice as long. You just don't see those Earl Campbell types anymore. Just like you don't see single bar face masks. The games has indeed changed.

Rugby Saint II 05-22-2023 01:47 PM

Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller
 
PT was the king of screens. AK established the new prototype for an NFL RB. Running and blocking have taken a back seat to pass catching. Miller wasn't utilized much as a pass catcher in college, but you can bet the Saints coaches are focusing heavily on pass catching and running routes properly without showing tells to the DB.

Boston Saint 05-22-2023 03:33 PM

Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 974464)
PT was the king of screens. AK established the new prototype for an NFL RB. Running and blocking have taken a back seat to pass catching. Miller wasn't utilized much as a pass catcher in college, but you can bet the Saints coaches are focusing heavily on pass catching and running routes properly without showing tells to the DB.

Don’t get me wrong Rugs, I love what Kamara has done on the field. But Faulk, Watters, and Thurman Thomas (among others) set the way for that style of play from running backs. He (Kamara) wasn’t the prototype, but he’s like the later versions of the Terminator RBs when it comes to dual threats.

But again, I’m not sure that’s what I want from my RB. Jamal Williams had a thousand rushing yards with 17 TDs last year and only 12’catches last year. I’m not sure the idea of a guy who can rush well and not catch is a thing of the past.

AsylumGuido 05-22-2023 03:49 PM

Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 974473)
Don’t get me wrong Rugs, I love what Kamara has done on the field. But Faulk, Watters, and Thurman Thomas (among others) set the way for that style of play from running backs. He (Kamara) wasn’t the prototype, but he’s like the later versions of the Terminator RBs when it comes to dual threats.

But again, I’m not sure that’s what I want from my RB. Jamal Williams had a thousand rushing yards with 17 TDs last year and only 12’catches last year. I’m not sure the idea of a guy who can rush well and not catch is a thing of the past.

From what I've heard Jamaal can catch, he just wasn't called upon to do much of it. Detroit just didn't seem to demand the versatility out of their backs the way the Saints have done. D'Andre Swift had 70 targets to Jamaal's 16. Conversely, Jamaal had 262 carries to Swift's 99. I would think the defense had an idea of what was being called in most of the situations.

Boston Saint 05-22-2023 04:06 PM

Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 974475)
From what I've heard Jamaal can catch, he just wasn't called upon to do much of it. Detroit just didn't seem to demand the versatility out of their backs the way the Saints have done. D'Andre Swift had 70 targets to Jamaal's 16. Conversely, Jamaal had 262 carries to Swift's 99. I would think the defense had an idea of what was being called in most of the situations.

I’m fine with him not catching more. Would Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Bettis or Ironhead been better if they caught more passes? I don’t think so. Sometimes you need a guy to run for the hard yards. That’s my point. I think (could be wrong) that it’s overrated to assess a back’s ability out of the backfield. If I want to throw the ball I’ll get WRs and TEs.

AsylumGuido 05-22-2023 04:37 PM

Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 974478)
I’m fine with him not catching more. Would Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Bettis or Ironhead been better if they caught more passes? I don’t think so. Sometimes you need a guy to run for the hard yards. That’s my point. I think (could be wrong) that it’s overrated to assess a back’s ability out of the backfield. If I want to throw the ball I’ll get WRs and TEs.

When you get your own team you can do just that. ;) :D

Boston Saint 05-24-2023 10:09 AM

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Just saw that Adrian Peterson is ready for another shot. He’s 38. I bring this up NOT because I want him signed. Just to point out that he is just shy of 15,000 yards for his career. That’s way more than twice what Ingram got rushing for the Saints. Pretty amazing numbers.


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