Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 973480)

I am not a big fan of this move. The point that he takes up a valuable roster spot when we already have Winston and Hill is a good point. Although, Hill does have a long history of enduring injuries that cause him to not take up a roster spot for much of seasons, to which last year was an anomaly of health.

From what I can tell about Haener, its very unlikely that his upside is as an elite QB. Best case he turns into a Jake Delhomme type game manager. Thats great if your goal is to go 9-7 and live to see another year like management, but is unlikely to earn a ring, unless we produce some Ray Lewis or Derrick Brooks type defense and he is our Trent Dilfer.

I am not sure that we need a new backup to replace Jameis Winston in 2024 because I don't fully believe Winston won't be on our roster as backup in 2024. If we let Winston go, we take an almost $11 million cap hit in 2024. That won't happen on Mickey and Khai's watch. If we give Winston a $10 million bonus to restructure and add 10 voidable years to the end of his contract, we can get his cap number down to $5 million, which will make too much sense for Mickey and Khai not to do it. Of course, this would lead to a $16 million dead cap hit in 2025 when his contract would void, so logically we will restructure again to add another $10 million bonus with 10 voidable years to get his 2025 salary down to $6 million, but that will result in a $20 million dead cap in 2026 where we will have to restructure again, and so on, until Winston or Loomis can't hold a pen to make their mark and we take a $100 million dead cap hit for Winston in 2035. I would have liked Haener a lot more if we had let go Winston and/or Hill but I think we are keeping both for year to year cap management and lack of a young backup is not why we are unable to move on.

The 2024 4th rounder we gave up could have been valuable. At least its not a round 1-3 pick but still it could have been used to get something more valuable than a 4th string QB with Jake Delhomme upside dependent on Dennis Allen's staff to develop it. We could have drafted another young skill position player, oline, or depth at LB next year. Or we could have used it as a trade chip to move up in an earlier round. Now we dont have that, and will once again in the 2024 draft probably have to trade valuable 2025 picks at a discount to move up.

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 973480)

I am not a big fan of this move. The point that he takes up a valuable roster spot when we already have Winston and Hill is a good point. Although, Hill does have a long history of enduring injuries that cause him to not take up a roster spot for much of seasons, to which last year was an anomaly of health.

From what I can tell about Haener, its very unlikely that his upside is as an elite QB. Best case he turns into a Jake Delhomme type game manager. Thats great if your goal is to go 9-7 and live to see another year like management, but is unlikely to earn a ring, unless we produce some Ray Lewis or Derrick Brooks type defense and he is our Trent Dilfer.

I am not sure that we need a new backup to replace Jameis Winston in 2024 because I don't fully believe Winston won't be on our roster as backup in 2024. If we let Winston go, we take an almost $11 million cap hit in 2024. That won't happen on Mickey and Khai's watch. If we give Winston a $10 million bonus to restructure and add 10 voidable years to the end of his contract, we can get his cap number down to $5 million, which will make too much sense for Mickey and Khai not to do it. Of course, this would lead to a $16 million dead cap hit in 2025 when his contract would void, so logically we will restructure again to add another $10 million bonus with 10 voidable years to get his 2025 salary down to $6 million, but that will result in a $20 million dead cap in 2026 where we will have to restructure again, and so on, until Winston or Loomis can't hold a pen to make their mark and we take a $100 million dead cap hit for Winston in 2035. I would have liked Haener a lot more if we had let go Winston and/or Hill but I think we are keeping both for year to year cap management and lack of a young backup is not why we are unable to move on.

The 2024 4th rounder we gave up could have been valuable. At least its not a round 1-3 pick but still it could have been used to get something more valuable than a 4th string QB with Jake Delhomme upside dependent on Dennis Allen's staff to develop it. We could have drafted another young skill position player, oline, or depth at LB next year. Or we could have used it as a trade chip to move up in an earlier round. Now we dont have that, and will once again in the 2024 draft probably have to trade valuable 2025 picks at a discount to move up.

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 973485)

The more I sit on this, the more I wonder if Taysom is on the trading block, perhaps to Denver to reunite with CSP. With a new QB in Carr and 2 new RB's in the fold, I am not sure if Taysom's role stays the same as it has been. Maybe things do stay the same, but gut is telling me we may be at a crossroads.

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 973485)

The more I sit on this, the more I wonder if Taysom is on the trading block, perhaps to Denver to reunite with CSP. With a new QB in Carr and 2 new RB's in the fold, I am not sure if Taysom's role stays the same as it has been. Maybe things do stay the same, but gut is telling me we may be at a crossroads.

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 973485)

The more I sit on this, the more I wonder if Taysom is on the trading block, perhaps to Denver to reunite with CSP. With a new QB in Carr and 2 new RB's in the fold, I am not sure if Taysom's role stays the same as it has been. Maybe things do stay the same, but gut is telling me we may be at a crossroads.