Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2023, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Haener will be our future.

This is the last year for Taysom and Jameis as Saints as both will be gone IMHO no later than a year from now.

It was a smart move to get the Brees clone while we could. His processing skills are what's needed in this day and age.

I think the error is in still thinking of Taysom as a QB. I honestly believe that the Saints have moved on from that. I believe they now see him as strictly a TE which helped make Trautman expendable. With Carr under center Taysom can continue to develop into a top tier TE. He has the size, blocking ability, extraordinary speed, and excellent hands required to be among the best in the league.

iceshack149 · 04-30-2023, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I think the error is in still thinking of Taysom as a QB. I honestly believe that the Saints have moved on from that. I believe they now see him as strictly a TE which helped make Trautman expendable. With Carr under center Taysom can continue to develop into a top tier TE. He has the size, blocking ability, extraordinary speed, and excellent hands required to be among the best in the league.

This is why I wasn't big on drafting a TE this year. Juwan Johnson had shown flashes of a being a good TE with last years mess of an offense and Hill, though older and often banged up, is a dangerous weapon. Krull is a big kid but he did absolutely nothing last year to give me any notion that he'll be ready to contribute this year. Hopefully we'll get a winner between him and Whiteheart from Wake Forest this season.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2023, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

This is why I wasn't big on drafting a TE this year. Juwan Johnson had shown flashes of a being a good TE with last years mess of an offense and Hill, though older and often banged up, is a dangerous weapon. Krull is a big kid but he did absolutely nothing last year to give me any notion that he'll be ready to contribute this year. Hopefully we'll get a winner between him and Whiteheart from Wake Forest this season.

And we are by no means out of the free agent market. Cameron Brate? Dan Arnold? Several others, as well.

SmashMouth · 04-30-2023, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And we are by no means out of the free agent market. Cameron Brate? Dan Arnold? Several others, as well.

Forgot about Brate... he could work out for a year.

neugey · 04-30-2023, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I think the error is in still thinking of Taysom as a QB. I honestly believe that the Saints have moved on from that. I believe they now see him as strictly a TE which helped make Trautman expendable. With Carr under center Taysom can continue to develop into a top tier TE. He has the size, blocking ability, extraordinary speed, and excellent hands required to be among the best in the league.

I think it has a chance of working if indeed they use him full-time as a H-back/TE/special team player. All the QB power and QB packages are going to need to be dropped and it'll take a big commitment from Carmichael and Taysom both. Very rare for a player in his 30's to make a position change, and there's a reason for that. If anyone can it's Taysom, but it's a big ask.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2023, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

I think it has a chance of working if indeed they use him full-time as a H-back/TE/special team player. All the QB power and QB packages are going to need to be dropped and it'll take a big commitment from Carmichael and Taysom both. Very rare for a player in his 30's to make a position change, and there's a reason for that. If anyone can it's Taysom, but it's a big ask.

Agreed. No way you take the ball out of Carr's hands like we had to do with Dalton, et al. And we have Jamaal Williams that is a beast at the goal line and in short yardage.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2023, 06:00 PM

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subguy · 05-01-2023, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I think the error is in still thinking of Taysom as a QB. I honestly believe that the Saints have moved on from that. I believe they now see him as strictly a TE which helped make Trautman expendable. With Carr under center Taysom can continue to develop into a top tier TE. He has the size, blocking ability, extraordinary speed, and excellent hands required to be among the best in the league.

I have an idea, keep saying the same thing over and over and over in hopes that everyone finally gets it or agrees with you. By now, everyone understands your stance. It is a mistake to think of Hill as a QB and the Saints also have moved on from this idea.

AsylumGuido · 05-01-2023, 07:44 AM

Personally, I am expecting Derek Carr to be our starting QB for most, if not all, of the next decade. I also expect that over that period of time we will draft four or five more "Haeners" which will collectively fill the vital role of inexpensive QB backup. I would guess that 95% of all QB's acquired outside of the first round of the draft never become fulltime starters in the NFL. Several of those do start a number of games here or there and more go on to have solid careers as backups. But, as we all know, it is still extremely critical that you have quality backup at QB at all times. If Haener develops into something more, then fine. Maybe we can do what New England did trading off their developed backups while sticking with their proven vet for years. It seemed to have worked for them quite well with Cassel, Hoyer, Garoppolo, Brissett, Stidham, and Gabbert.

04-30-2023, 09:43 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener Originally Posted by SmashMouth Haener will be our future. This is the last year for Taysom and Jameis as Saints as both will be gone IMHO no later than a year from now. It was a smart move to get the Brees clone while we could. His processing skills are what's needed in this day and age. I think the error is in still thinking of Taysom as a QB. I honestly believe that the Saints have moved on from that. I believe they now see him as strictly a TE which helped make Trautman expendable. With Carr under center Taysom can continue to develop into a top tier TE. He has the size, blocking ability, extraordinary speed, and excellent hands required to be among the best in the league. neugey and SmashMouth like this.

04-30-2023, 11:26 AM	#2
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,488 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I think the error is in still thinking of Taysom as a QB. I honestly believe that the Saints have moved on from that. I believe they now see him as strictly a TE which helped make Trautman expendable. With Carr under center Taysom can continue to develop into a top tier TE. He has the size, blocking ability, extraordinary speed, and excellent hands required to be among the best in the league. This is why I wasn't big on drafting a TE this year. Juwan Johnson had shown flashes of a being a good TE with last years mess of an offense and Hill, though older and often banged up, is a dangerous weapon. Krull is a big kid but he did absolutely nothing last year to give me any notion that he'll be ready to contribute this year. Hopefully we'll get a winner between him and Whiteheart from Wake Forest this season. AsylumGuido likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener Originally Posted by iceshack149 This is why I wasn't big on drafting a TE this year. Juwan Johnson had shown flashes of a being a good TE with last years mess of an offense and Hill, though older and often banged up, is a dangerous weapon. Krull is a big kid but he did absolutely nothing last year to give me any notion that he'll be ready to contribute this year. Hopefully we'll get a winner between him and Whiteheart from Wake Forest this season. And we are by no means out of the free agent market. Cameron Brate? Dan Arnold? Several others, as well.

04-30-2023, 11:59 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,271 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And we are by no means out of the free agent market. Cameron Brate? Dan Arnold? Several others, as well. Forgot about Brate... he could work out for a year. Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-30-2023, 11:44 AM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,885 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I think the error is in still thinking of Taysom as a QB. I honestly believe that the Saints have moved on from that. I believe they now see him as strictly a TE which helped make Trautman expendable. With Carr under center Taysom can continue to develop into a top tier TE. He has the size, blocking ability, extraordinary speed, and excellent hands required to be among the best in the league. I think it has a chance of working if indeed they use him full-time as a H-back/TE/special team player. All the QB power and QB packages are going to need to be dropped and it'll take a big commitment from Carmichael and Taysom both. Very rare for a player in his 30's to make a position change, and there's a reason for that. If anyone can it's Taysom, but it's a big ask.

04-30-2023, 12:07 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener Originally Posted by neugey I think it has a chance of working if indeed they use him full-time as a H-back/TE/special team player. All the QB power and QB packages are going to need to be dropped and it'll take a big commitment from Carmichael and Taysom both. Very rare for a player in his 30's to make a position change, and there's a reason for that. If anyone can it's Taysom, but it's a big ask. Agreed. No way you take the ball out of Carr's hands like we had to do with Dalton, et al. And we have Jamaal Williams that is a beast at the goal line and in short yardage. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,126	Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I think the error is in still thinking of Taysom as a QB. I honestly believe that the Saints have moved on from that. I believe they now see him as strictly a TE which helped make Trautman expendable. With Carr under center Taysom can continue to develop into a top tier TE. He has the size, blocking ability, extraordinary speed, and excellent hands required to be among the best in the league. I have an idea, keep saying the same thing over and over and over in hopes that everyone finally gets it or agrees with you. By now, everyone understands your stance. It is a mistake to think of Hill as a QB and the Saints also have moved on from this idea. iceshack149 and K Major like this.

05-01-2023, 07:44 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Saints Pick 4.19 - QB Jake Haener Personally, I am expecting Derek Carr to be our starting QB for most, if not all, of the next decade. I also expect that over that period of time we will draft four or five more "Haeners" which will collectively fill the vital role of inexpensive QB backup. I would guess that 95% of all QB's acquired outside of the first round of the draft never become fulltime starters in the NFL. Several of those do start a number of games here or there and more go on to have solid careers as backups. But, as we all know, it is still extremely critical that you have quality backup at QB at all times. If Haener develops into something more, then fine. Maybe we can do what New England did trading off their developed backups while sticking with their proven vet for years. It seemed to have worked for them quite well with Cassel, Hoyer, Garoppolo, Brissett, Stidham, and Gabbert.
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