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SmashMouth 05-31-2023 09:59 AM

Saints part ways with the top man in their analytics department
 
The New Orleans Saints have parted ways with Ryan Herman, the top analytics researcher in the club's personnel department, multiple sources said Wednesday.

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Herman wasn't well known to the public, but he was a valued member of the football operations staff as the head of the team's in-house analytics department. He supplied weekly analytical research studies to the coaching staff on statistical trends for the league and upcoming opponent.
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SmashMouth 05-31-2023 10:25 AM

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K Major 05-31-2023 10:54 AM

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His contract was up huh? Interesting.

Wonder if the Saint's front office brass took anything SP stated on analytics as gospel?

AsylumGuido 06-03-2023 11:47 AM

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Explains part of why they parted ways. Family lives in Miami and he's been commuting to New Orleans.


BakoSaint 06-05-2023 12:17 AM

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After making a $100+ million bet on a mid-career QB turnaround story and making a high risk first round pick on a guy with minimal game tape betting on another turnaround story, its great to know that we feel so confident about the analytics element of both those decisions that we kept the guy leading them around for a few weeks before parting ways before the season even began.

If we thought this guy gave us such a big edge I am sure we could make it worth his while to move if we needed to. If we couldn't, can you think of any job that would be easier to do remotely than analytics? This guy could make graphs from Miami. Software runs in Miami. Its very very possible to present a chart and data table on zoom. Analytics is not hands on. Algorithms don't require a personal touch. Numbers can be emailed in many types of attachments. The most reasonable reading of this is that either we weren't confident in him even though he was just involved in crucial franchise altering decisions, or he does not feel confident in Saints management and wanted to distance himself, or there was a big disagreement and the team went against its own analytics in recent big moves and forced a breakup.

Rugby Saint II 06-06-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 974866)
After making a $100+ million bet on a mid-career QB turnaround story and making a high risk first round pick on a guy with minimal game tape betting on another turnaround story, its great to know that we feel so confident about the analytics element of both those decisions that we kept the guy leading them around for a few weeks before parting ways before the season even began.

If we thought this guy gave us such a big edge I am sure we could make it worth his while to move if we needed to. If we couldn't, can you think of any job that would be easier to do remotely than analytics? This guy could make graphs from Miami. Software runs in Miami. Its very very possible to present a chart and data table on zoom. Analytics is not hands on. Algorithms don't require a personal touch. Numbers can be emailed in many types of attachments. The most reasonable reading of this is that either we weren't confident in him even though he was just involved in crucial franchise altering decisions, or he does not feel confident in Saints management and wanted to distance himself, or there was a big disagreement and the team went against its own analytics in recent big moves and forced a breakup.

My guess is that Payton's comments on the Broncos analytics department hit deep with the franchise and they are looking to go in a new direction with a fresher approach to analytics. Out with the old and in with the new. The only constant is change.

AsylumGuido 06-06-2023 11:35 AM

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My guess is that Payton's comments on the Broncos analytics department hit deep with the franchise and they are looking to go in a new direction with a fresher approach to analytics. Out with the old and in with the new. The only constant is change.

I think the missus had more to do with his not renewing his contract than any difference in philosophy between the Saints and himself. LOL! She had to have been getting a bit tired of his commuting to and from Nola to their home in Miami. :D

BakoSaint 06-06-2023 11:17 PM

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I think the missus had more to do with his not renewing his contract than any difference in philosophy between the Saints and himself. LOL! She had to have been getting a bit tired of his commuting to and from Nola to their home in Miami. :D

If Michael Thomas can do his job remotely, surely an analytics guy can? How much harder can it be to email a spreadsheet than to email a reception?

K Major 06-06-2023 11:33 PM

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If Michael Thomas can do his job remotely, surely an analytics guy can? How much harder can it be to email a spreadsheet than to email a reception?

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SmashMouth 06-07-2023 01:28 AM

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If Michael Thomas can do his job remotely, surely an analytics guy can? How much harder can it be to email a spreadsheet than to email a reception?

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Elon Musk agrees...

AsylumGuido 06-07-2023 09:01 AM

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SmashMouth 06-07-2023 12:47 PM

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AsylumGuido 06-07-2023 01:03 PM

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It all comes down to work ethic. Lazy people are going to be lazy whether they are "working" remotely from home or in the office environment. My wife's office was moved permanently to her home office in 2020 and she has confessed that she gets more done at home rather than dealing with the constant interruptions in the former worksite office.

dizzle88 06-07-2023 01:40 PM

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It all comes down to work ethic. Lazy people are going to be lazy whether they are "working" remotely from home or in the office environment. My wife's office was moved permanently to her home office in 2020 and she has confessed that she gets more done at home rather than dealing with the constant interruptions in the former worksite office.

Honestly the absolute same here.

As you said, lazy people are lazy anywhere.

When I'm diving into tech logs to try and fix an issue, having my concentration broken by someone wandering over and asking what was on TV last night is really distracting.

We do have days where we go into the office so we don't alienate ourselves, but every member of the team I'm in, despite missing some of the on-site dynamic from time to time, admit they get way more done at home.

AsylumGuido 06-07-2023 02:42 PM

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Honestly the absolute same here.

As you said, lazy people are lazy anywhere.

When I'm diving into tech logs to try and fix an issue, having my concentration broken by someone wandering over and asking what was on TV last night is really distracting.

We do have days where we go into the office so we don't alienate ourselves, but every member of the team I'm in, despite missing some of the on-site dynamic from time to time, admit they get way more done at home.

I feel your pain there, diz! I spent almost 30 years trying to comb through code and data to find and fix issues. It got to the point where I kept my office door closed (and locked) the whole time I was there. Except for the damned meetings. LOL!

SmashMouth 06-07-2023 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 974942)
It all comes down to work ethic. Lazy people are going to be lazy whether they are "working" remotely from home or in the office environment. My wife's office was moved permanently to her home office in 2020 and she has confessed that she gets more done at home rather than dealing with the constant interruptions in the former worksite office.

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 974947)
Honestly the absolute same here.

As you said, lazy people are lazy anywhere.

When I'm diving into tech logs to try and fix an issue, having my concentration broken by someone wandering over and asking what was on TV last night is really distracting.

We do have days where we go into the office so we don't alienate ourselves, but every member of the team I'm in, despite missing some of the on-site dynamic from time to time, admit they get way more done at home.

The only caveat is that when you work from home, your spouse thinks because you're home, even though you're busy working, she has unabated access to you and can walk into your office anytime and interrupt whatever you're doing, even if you're on an important Teams call. :brood:

AsylumGuido 06-07-2023 03:24 PM

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The only caveat is that when you work from home, your spouse thinks because you're home, even though you're busy working, she has unabated access to you and can walk into your office anytime and interrupt whatever you're doing, even if you're on an important Teams call. :brood:

Nope! I know better than to bother her on any call.

But that's where players committed to working hard can do it on their own away from those interruptions. Bringing this back full circle, remember when Thomas sued the landlord of the property he was using for rehabilitation a couple of years back? The basis of the suit was the constant unannounced interruptions. Sound familiar? :D

Saints' Michael Thomas Sues Landlords for over $1M; Alleges Breach of Lease, More

New Orleans Saints wide receiver Michael Thomas has reportedly filed a civil lawsuit against a Los Angeles-area homeowner for allegedly breaking the terms of a lease agreement signed in early 2021.

TMZ Sports reported Wednesday that Thomas agreed to pay $180,000 ($120,000 in rent and a $60,000 security deposit) to live in an L.A. mansion from Feb. 4 through April 5 for offseason training.

The Saints star, who's sidelined after undergoing ankle surgery in June, alleged there were consistent problems with the house and reps for the rental property "repeatedly" visited unannounced during his workouts despite saying he'd have the home to himself.


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