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AsylumGuido 06-13-2023 08:47 AM
Who is the “ideal” candidate to win the WR battle behind the Top 3 guys?
 
Interesting takes here. If someone is going to beat out Tre'Quan Smith they have to be able to do what Tre'Quan does well.


We usually carry six WR's on the 53 man roster. What three make the squad behind Thomas, Olave, and Shaheem?

AsylumGuido 06-13-2023 09:54 AM
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SmashMouth 06-13-2023 11:30 AM
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Does 3Q deserve a spot if he hasn't been able to shine and step up in the absence of competition? Wasn't last year his opportunity to break through? And based on his track record, are we not better off giving way to more motivated younger hungrier cheaper hands, especially if he's now vying for a spot at WR4-6? He feels like a slightly better version of Andy Tanner, except that he's hung around on the roster due to circumstances in the WR room.

AsylumGuido 06-13-2023 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 975159)
Does 3Q deserve a spot if he hasn't been able to shine and step up in the absence of competition? Wasn't last year his opportunity to break through? And based on his track record, are we not better off giving way to more motivated younger hungrier cheaper hands, especially if he's now vying for a spot at WR4-6? He feels like a slightly better version of Andy Tanner, except that he's hung around on the roster due to circumstances in the WR room.
Tre'Quan is clearly not a frontline WR, but every roster in the NFL has players that must fill a role. And until we find a player that can fill that role as well as Smith, then we'll likely still have him filling that role. If he makes the squad again it's solely because he is more motivated and talented at filling that role.

In the first video above they explain the role that Tre'Quan has played on the roster and what would be needed to be replaced if someone does indeed beat him out. He can't do what Thomas, Olave, and Shaheed can do. That is for certain, but none of them can do what he can do, either.

AsylumGuido 06-13-2023 11:51 AM
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MatthewT 06-13-2023 11:59 AM
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I think Smith makes the team, as for the other 1 or 2 spots it's a tough call. Probably need to think about another veteran for injury insurance, want to keep a prospect for further development, and likely will need a new kick returner if Shaheed is going to be used more in the offense, just a ton of different directions the Saints can go with the bottom of the WR depth chart.

SmashMouth 06-13-2023 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 975165)
I think Smith makes the team, as for the other 1 or 2 spots it's a tough call. Probably need to think about another veteran for injury insurance, want to keep a prospect for further development, and likely will need a new kick returner if Shaheed is going to be used more in the offense, just a ton of different directions the Saints can go with the bottom of the WR depth chart.
Does Washington replace 3Q at WR4? He's been more productive so far. That means WR5 or WR6 for 3Q. Camp awaits to see if he's worth his compensation.

Mr.Riaton 06-13-2023 12:10 PM
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Well it could be Brian Edwards. I’m really intrigued with AT Perry as well. It’s possible he has the goods to take that spot

SmashMouth 06-13-2023 12:40 PM
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Well it could be Brian Edwards. I’m really intrigued with AT Perry as well. It’s possible he has the goods to take that spot
Exactly... and precisely why 3Q is on a very thin bubble.

AsylumGuido 06-13-2023 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 975166)
Does Washington replace 3Q at WR4? He's been more productive so far. That means WR5 or WR6 for 3Q. Camp awaits to see if he's worth his compensation.
Washington more productive than Tre'Quan? You sure about that, Smash? Both came into the league in 2018. Both have been in the league for five full seasons.

Player 1: 114 catches, 1629 yards, 52.1% catch rate, 11 TD's

Player 2: 131 catches, 1764 yards, 66.8% catch rate, 18 TD's

By the way, Washington is player 1 and Tre'Quan is player 2.

I'm not lobbying for Tre'Quan to make the team, but he's not as horrible as some people think.

SmashMouth 06-13-2023 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 975180)
Washington more productive than Tre'Quan? You sure about that, Smash? Both came into the league in 2018. Both have been in the league for five full seasons.

Player 1: 114 catches, 1629 yards, 52.1% catch rate, 11 TD's

Player 2: 131 catches, 1764 yards, 66.8% catch rate, 18 TD's

By the way, Washington is player 1 and Tre'Quan is player 2.

I'm not lobbying for Tre'Quan to make the team, but he's not as horrible as some people think.
Point taken ... there's a reason Washington is yet trying to make another team. Both catch rates suck, IMHO. You have one main job as a WR.... catch the dang ball.

AsylumGuido 06-13-2023 02:13 PM
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Point taken ... there's a reason Washington is yet trying to make another team. Both catch rates suck, IMHO. You have one main job as a WR.... catch the dang ball.
Actually, 66% is right around league average. In Michael Thomas' record breaking year (2019) he had a catch rate of 81%. Only five other receivers in the entire NFL with a decent number of targets (85 or more) finished at 70% or better that season.

It may come as a surprise, but last season Tre'Quan had the 3rd highest catch rate (70.4%) on the Saints team for all players with 25 or more targets. Only Kamara and Shaheed had higher. Chris Olave's catch rate was 60.5%. Juwan Johnson was 64.6%.

AsylumGuido 06-13-2023 05:03 PM
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K Major 06-13-2023 05:51 PM
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Point taken ... there's a reason Washington is yet trying to make another team. Both catch rates suck, IMHO. You have one main job as a WR.... catch the dang ball.
Not in New Orleans though.

They value blockzilla :p

rezburna 06-13-2023 06:57 PM
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Thomas
Olave
Shaheed
Edwards
Perry
Washington

If it were up to me.

BakoSaint 06-13-2023 07:56 PM
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I don’t think Michael Thomas is one of our top 3 receivers. It would be ideal if he broke the top 3 but to do that he would need to stay healthy at least half the season. So my answer is Michael Thomas. To
Do that Michael will need to do what Trequan Smith does well, return from injuries mid season.

Boston Saint 06-13-2023 08:33 PM
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I don’t think Michael Thomas is one of our top 3 receivers. It would be ideal if he broke the top 3 but to do that he would need to stay healthy at least half the season. So my answer is Michael Thomas. To
Do that Michael will need to do what Trequan Smith does well, return from injuries mid season.
Hardly a surprising choice from you bako.

AsylumGuido 06-13-2023 08:40 PM
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Hardly a surprising choice from you bako.
You know what they say ...

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rezburna 06-13-2023 09:26 PM
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We need a thumbs down button.

SmashMouth 06-13-2023 11:14 PM
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We need a thumbs down button.
I've been asking for years also. Maybe on the new revision , hopefully soon. :p

Rugby Saint II 06-15-2023 12:18 PM
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We need a thumbs down button.
Nah. Then we'd be no better than those folks over at Saints Report. All they do there is bicker and argue with each other. Let's keep it classy and fun on the bng!

Boston Saint 06-15-2023 12:24 PM
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Nah. Then we'd be no better than those folks over at Saints Report. All they do there is bicker and argue with each other. Let's keep it classy and fun on the bng!
Oh sure, way to take the hi road rubby! 😄

Rugby Saint II 06-16-2023 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 975207)
Thomas
Olave
Shaheed
Edwards
Perry
Washington

If it were up to me.
I like your list. It would be great to see Washington beat out 3Q for a back up role. I think Washington can catch a football and block too! :p

AsylumGuido 06-16-2023 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 975367)
I like your list. It would be great to see Washington beat out 3Q for a back up role. I think Washington can catch a football and block too! :p
You may have missed this info earlier, Rugs, but ...

Both Washington and Tre'Quan came into the league in 2018. Both have been in the league for five full seasons.

Player 1: 114 catches, 1629 yards, 52.1% catch rate, 11 TD's

Player 2: 131 catches, 1764 yards, 66.8% catch rate, 18 TD's

By the way, Washington is player 1 and Tre'Quan is player 2.


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