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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I would be OK with trading Thomas and a 1st for Adams! With Adams, Olive, Sheed, our RB’s and new QB we are top five!!!...

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Old 07-12-2023, 06:23 PM   #1
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Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints

I would be OK with trading Thomas and a 1st for Adams! With Adams, Olive, Sheed, our RB’s and new QB we are top five!!!
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I would be OK with trading Thomas and a 1st for Adams! With Adams, Olive, Sheed, our RB’s and new QB we are top five!!!
Loomis might just jump on that deal. Thomas won't be here next year no matter how well he plays. Someone will pay him more than we will and I'd be happy with getting something for him now. But honestly, I don't think that he has any trade value though after coming off of a three year injury bug.
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Loomis might just jump on that deal. Thomas won't be here next year no matter how well he plays. Someone will pay him more than we will and I'd be happy with getting something for him now. But honestly, I don't think that he has any trade value though after coming off of a three year injury bug.
I believe this is a prove it year for Thomas. If he returns to anywhere near his previous form I would expect they jump all over a long term deal to keep him around. He'll only be a couple of years from breaking every record held by Colston and future cap space wouldn't be an issue. I believe that Thomas has even indicated he wants to stick around to work with Carr as long as possible. That's at least five years for Carr and probably longer.
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I believe this is a prove it year for Thomas. If he returns to anywhere near his previous form I would expect they jump all over a long term deal to keep him around. He'll only be a couple of years from breaking every record held by Colston and future cap space wouldn't be an issue. I believe that Thomas has even indicated he wants to stick around to work with Carr as long as possible. That's at least five years for Carr and probably longer.
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He owes the Saints .
And more importantly he owes it to himself, as do the Saints. He was robbed of almost three years of his career because of two freak, totally unrelated, on-field injuries and a case of mismanagement by the coaching and medical teams.
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I believe this is a prove it year for Thomas. If he returns to anywhere near his previous form I would expect they jump all over a long term deal to keep him around. He'll only be a couple of years from breaking every record held by Colston and future cap space wouldn't be an issue. I believe that Thomas has even indicated he wants to stick around to work with Carr as long as possible. That's at least five years for Carr and probably longer.
I believe the worse Thomas does this year, or the more he is injured, the more likely he is back in 2024. In the unlikely event that he returns to 2019 form there would be a bidding war for his services like Armstead or Williams and we might lose that war. But if he plays a few games, appears to have lost a step, fights with teammates, and then gets injured and undergoes microfracture surgery on both knees, we are likely to resign him in order to avoid the dead money cap hit, just like we have done with Peat and Winston when they have been injured or underperformed in supposedly make or break years. We face an $18 million cap hit of dead money for Thomas in 2024 but if nobody else is competing for his services we can likely retain him and keep the immediate cap hit to $11-12 million while pushing some of the dead money forward to future years, Loomis style.
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I believe the worse Thomas does this year, or the more he is injured, the more likely he is back in 2024. In the unlikely event that he returns to 2019 form there would be a bidding war for his services like Armstead or Williams and we might lose that war. But if he plays a few games, appears to have lost a step, fights with teammates, and then gets injured and undergoes microfracture surgery on both knees, we are likely to resign him in order to avoid the dead money cap hit, just like we have done with Peat and Winston when they have been injured or underperformed in supposedly make or break years. We face an $18 million cap hit of dead money for Thomas in 2024 but if nobody else is competing for his services we can likely retain him and keep the immediate cap hit to $11-12 million while pushing some of the dead money forward to future years, Loomis style.


I do not want to give him contract and then move the money to the future. Putting more money in an older/ often injured player may not be the best use of our limited cap money. If he wants to bet on himself with an incentive laden contract then great! If not then let someone else bet on him! He's tied into an affordable contract this year and I want to see him win the come back player of the year.

It may not be a popular opinion, but I don't think that the Saints would sign him back to another contract, no matter how well he plays. Of course, they would offer him another incentive laden contract and of course, he would probably turn it down to sign for top dollar elsewhere. I don't blame him. I would too.

Face it. He's coming off three years riddled with injury. He played well again last year before getting hurt and he's 30 now I believe. His best days are probably behind him and no one can call him reliable. I like him and I want him to have another pro bowl season, but I'm not guaranteeing him a lot of money again if I'm Mickey Loomis.

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I expect Thomas to have a banner year and I fully expect the Saints, utilizing the ever expanding cap, to sign him to another long term deal. I expect Thomas to blow away all of the rest of Colston's receiving records over the next three seasons and retire as one of the all-time Saints greats. I plan on being there in the Dome when his name is added to the Saints Ring of Honor.

He was unlucky suffering those two totally unrelated injuries costing him time in his short career to this point. But, those were the ONLY two injuries. His body has taken on very little wear and tear over the last three years. He's basically still 27 years old in NFL years. There no reason why he can't continue to be an elite receiver for another six to eight years.

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I do not want to give him contract and then move the money to the future. Putting more money in an older/ often injured player may not be the best use of our limited cap money. If he wants to bet on himself with an incentive laden contract then great! If not then let someone else bet on him! He's tied into an affordable contract this year and I want to see him win the come back player of the year.

It may not be a popular opinion, but I don't think that the Saints would sign him back to another contract, no matter how well he plays. Of course, they would offer him another incentive laden contract and of course, he would probably turn it down to sign for top dollar elsewhere. I don't blame him. I would too.

Face it. He's coming off three years riddled with injury. He played well again last year before getting hurt and he's 30 now I believe. His best days are probably behind him and no one can call him reliable. I like him and I want him to have another pro bowl season, but I'm not guaranteeing him a lot of money again if I'm Mickey Loomis.
Loomis and Harley are going to continue to construct contracts in the exact same structure. That is their accounting principle to use the skyrocketing cap to maximize cap utilization. They are not going to change their philosophy in mid stride. Harley and Loomis have both said as much. It's how they have functioned and how they are going to continue to function for years to come.
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Loomis and Harley are going to continue to construct contracts in the exact same structure. That is their accounting principle to use the skyrocketing cap to maximize cap utilization. They are not going to change their philosophy in mid stride. Harley and Loomis have both said as much. It's how they have functioned and how they are going to continue to function for years to come.
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