Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints

Rugby Saint II · 07-10-2023, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Zero … Zilch … Nada … Bupcus …

I see what you did there.

Cruize · 07-11-2023, 08:47 AM

Pass. Good player. Not worth his salary at this point. Not a need position for the Saints. He should ask for a trade to a team with some cap space and one with a young talented QB like the Jags, Chargers or Panthers. He's getting paid but the Riders will continue to lose.

Rugby Saint II · 07-11-2023, 12:16 PM

I'm not interested in this trade, but are there any players that you'd like to trade for? I was thinking that a DT might be the way to go.

AsylumGuido · 07-11-2023, 01:07 PM

I'd rather wait and see what we already have once "real" practice gets underway. I wouldn't want to waste a draft pick on a player via trade that may end up getting released anyway. We have four DT's right now in Bresee, Roach, Saunders, and Shephard that could be hard to replace on the final 53 as it is. We usually only carry four DT's.

CheramieIII · 07-12-2023, 06:23 PM

I would be OK with trading Thomas and a 1st for Adams! With Adams, Olive, Sheed, our RB’s and new QB we are top five!!!

Rugby Saint II · 07-13-2023, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

I would be OK with trading Thomas and a 1st for Adams! With Adams, Olive, Sheed, our RB’s and new QB we are top five!!!

Loomis might just jump on that deal. Thomas won't be here next year no matter how well he plays. Someone will pay him more than we will and I'd be happy with getting something for him now. But honestly, I don't think that he has any trade value though after coming off of a three year injury bug.

AsylumGuido · 07-13-2023, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Loomis might just jump on that deal. Thomas won't be here next year no matter how well he plays. Someone will pay him more than we will and I'd be happy with getting something for him now. But honestly, I don't think that he has any trade value though after coming off of a three year injury bug.

I believe this is a prove it year for Thomas. If he returns to anywhere near his previous form I would expect they jump all over a long term deal to keep him around. He'll only be a couple of years from breaking every record held by Colston and future cap space wouldn't be an issue. I believe that Thomas has even indicated he wants to stick around to work with Carr as long as possible. That's at least five years for Carr and probably longer.

SmashMouth · 07-13-2023, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I believe this is a prove it year for Thomas. If he returns to anywhere near his previous form I would expect they jump all over a long term deal to keep him around. He'll only be a couple of years from breaking every record held by Colston and future cap space wouldn't be an issue. I believe that Thomas has even indicated he wants to stick around to work with Carr as long as possible. That's at least five years for Carr and probably longer.

He owes the Saints .

AsylumGuido · 07-13-2023, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

He owes the Saints .

And more importantly he owes it to himself, as do the Saints. He was robbed of almost three years of his career because of two freak, totally unrelated, on-field injuries and a case of mismanagement by the coaching and medical teams.

BakoSaint · 07-13-2023, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I believe this is a prove it year for Thomas. If he returns to anywhere near his previous form I would expect they jump all over a long term deal to keep him around. He'll only be a couple of years from breaking every record held by Colston and future cap space wouldn't be an issue. I believe that Thomas has even indicated he wants to stick around to work with Carr as long as possible. That's at least five years for Carr and probably longer.

I believe the worse Thomas does this year, or the more he is injured, the more likely he is back in 2024. In the unlikely event that he returns to 2019 form there would be a bidding war for his services like Armstead or Williams and we might lose that war. But if he plays a few games, appears to have lost a step, fights with teammates, and then gets injured and undergoes microfracture surgery on both knees, we are likely to resign him in order to avoid the dead money cap hit, just like we have done with Peat and Winston when they have been injured or underperformed in supposedly make or break years. We face an $18 million cap hit of dead money for Thomas in 2024 but if nobody else is competing for his services we can likely retain him and keep the immediate cap hit to $11-12 million while pushing some of the dead money forward to future years, Loomis style.

07-10-2023, 02:23 PM	#11
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Zero … Zilch … Nada … Bupcus … I see what you did there.

07-11-2023, 08:47 AM	#12
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints Pass. Good player. Not worth his salary at this point. Not a need position for the Saints. He should ask for a trade to a team with some cap space and one with a young talented QB like the Jags, Chargers or Panthers. He's getting paid but the Riders will continue to lose. leilung, Rugby Saint II and BakoSaint like this.
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07-11-2023, 12:16 PM	#13
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints I'm not interested in this trade, but are there any players that you'd like to trade for? I was thinking that a DT might be the way to go.

07-11-2023, 01:07 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints I'd rather wait and see what we already have once "real" practice gets underway. I wouldn't want to waste a draft pick on a player via trade that may end up getting released anyway. We have four DT's right now in Bresee, Roach, Saunders, and Shephard that could be hard to replace on the final 53 as it is. We usually only carry four DT's. Rugby Saint II likes this.

07-12-2023, 06:23 PM	#15
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07-13-2023, 09:41 AM	#16
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints Originally Posted by CheramieIII I would be OK with trading Thomas and a 1st for Adams! With Adams, Olive, Sheed, our RB’s and new QB we are top five!!! Loomis might just jump on that deal. Thomas won't be here next year no matter how well he plays. Someone will pay him more than we will and I'd be happy with getting something for him now. But honestly, I don't think that he has any trade value though after coming off of a three year injury bug.

07-13-2023, 11:00 AM	#17
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Loomis might just jump on that deal. Thomas won't be here next year no matter how well he plays. Someone will pay him more than we will and I'd be happy with getting something for him now. But honestly, I don't think that he has any trade value though after coming off of a three year injury bug. I believe this is a prove it year for Thomas. If he returns to anywhere near his previous form I would expect they jump all over a long term deal to keep him around. He'll only be a couple of years from breaking every record held by Colston and future cap space wouldn't be an issue. I believe that Thomas has even indicated he wants to stick around to work with Carr as long as possible. That's at least five years for Carr and probably longer. SmashMouth and Thirty3 like this.

07-13-2023, 11:47 AM	#18
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,926 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I believe this is a prove it year for Thomas. If he returns to anywhere near his previous form I would expect they jump all over a long term deal to keep him around. He'll only be a couple of years from breaking every record held by Colston and future cap space wouldn't be an issue. I believe that Thomas has even indicated he wants to stick around to work with Carr as long as possible. That's at least five years for Carr and probably longer. He owes the Saints .

07-13-2023, 12:51 PM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints Originally Posted by SmashMouth He owes the Saints . And more importantly he owes it to himself, as do the Saints. He was robbed of almost three years of his career because of two freak, totally unrelated, on-field injuries and a case of mismanagement by the coaching and medical teams.

07-13-2023, 06:59 PM	#20
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Proposed Trade Reunites Raiders’ $140 Million Star With Derek Carr on Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I believe this is a prove it year for Thomas. If he returns to anywhere near his previous form I would expect they jump all over a long term deal to keep him around. He'll only be a couple of years from breaking every record held by Colston and future cap space wouldn't be an issue. I believe that Thomas has even indicated he wants to stick around to work with Carr as long as possible. That's at least five years for Carr and probably longer. I believe the worse Thomas does this year, or the more he is injured, the more likely he is back in 2024. In the unlikely event that he returns to 2019 form there would be a bidding war for his services like Armstead or Williams and we might lose that war. But if he plays a few games, appears to have lost a step, fights with teammates, and then gets injured and undergoes microfracture surgery on both knees, we are likely to resign him in order to avoid the dead money cap hit, just like we have done with Peat and Winston when they have been injured or underperformed in supposedly make or break years. We face an $18 million cap hit of dead money for Thomas in 2024 but if nobody else is competing for his services we can likely retain him and keep the immediate cap hit to $11-12 million while pushing some of the dead money forward to future years, Loomis style.
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