Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM.

vpheughan · 08-01-2023, 03:51 PM

I believe he wanted to "Prove" to himself as well as the rest of the NFL that he could indeed win without Drew Brees. It was impressive that in his final season as Saints Head Coach he used: Jameis Winston, Taysom Hill, Trevor Siemian and even Ian Book. 4 different QB'S, a winning season and no Drew Brees. After pulling that off he had nothing else to prove here and moved on, just like his Mentor: Bill Parcells!

Boston Saint · 08-01-2023, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

I believe he wanted to "Prove" to himself as well as the rest of the NFL that he could indeed win without Drew Brees. It was impressive that in his final season as Saints Head Coach he used: Jameis Winston, Taysom Hill, Trevor Siemian and even Ian Book. 4 different QB'S, a winning season and no Drew Brees. After pulling that off he had nothing else to prove here and moved on, just like his Mentor: Bill Parcells!

Interesting as well that he “moved on” to a team that had a QB that has been to 2 SBs already. Not exactly a developmental guy.

BakoSaint · 08-01-2023, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Interesting as well that he “moved on” to a team that had a QB that has been to 2 SBs already. Not exactly a developmental guy.

I mean, he took the job that was available. I don't think a team with a 1st round pick QB made an offer. We don't know how Payton would do developing a 1st round pick QB because he has never tried. He did make Winston look better than others did.

BakoSaint · 08-01-2023, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

I believe he wanted to "Prove" to himself as well as the rest of the NFL that he could indeed win without Drew Brees. It was impressive that in his final season as Saints Head Coach he used: Jameis Winston, Taysom Hill, Trevor Siemian and even Ian Book. 4 different QB'S, a winning season and no Drew Brees. After pulling that off he had nothing else to prove here and moved on, just like his Mentor: Bill Parcells!

This seems like a big stretch. You are saying that after an 11 year Super Bowl drought Payton had nothing left to prove, because he showed he could still win without Drew Brees? What winning without Drew Brees meant was going 9-8 in only the 2nd year of the 17 game season, by winning the final game, in a meaningless contest where the eliminated division rival Falcons improved their draft position. It wouldn't have even been a winning season prior to 2020 it would have been 8-8. Based on this logic Bill Belichick should have retired after 2008, when he showed he could win without Tom Brady, since he is also a Parcells disciple. Also, Payton is known as an offensive guru, and the 2021 team went 9-8 on the strength of defense. It just doesn't compute that a Super Bowl winning head coach in the midst of a 10 year Super Bowl drought would have nothing to prove but that he can limp to 9-8 on the strength of the side of the ball he doesn't coach, and do it without a star QB, and to prove any more, he would have to go back and get a star QB again.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. Originally Posted by vpheughan I believe he wanted to "Prove" to himself as well as the rest of the NFL that he could indeed win without Drew Brees. It was impressive that in his final season as Saints Head Coach he used: Jameis Winston, Taysom Hill, Trevor Siemian and even Ian Book. 4 different QB'S, a winning season and no Drew Brees. After pulling that off he had nothing else to prove here and moved on, just like his Mentor: Bill Parcells! Interesting as well that he “moved on” to a team that had a QB that has been to 2 SBs already. Not exactly a developmental guy.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,447	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. Originally Posted by Boston Saint Interesting as well that he “moved on” to a team that had a QB that has been to 2 SBs already. Not exactly a developmental guy. I mean, he took the job that was available. I don't think a team with a 1st round pick QB made an offer. We don't know how Payton would do developing a 1st round pick QB because he has never tried. He did make Winston look better than others did.
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08-01-2023, 04:33 PM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,447	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. Originally Posted by vpheughan I believe he wanted to "Prove" to himself as well as the rest of the NFL that he could indeed win without Drew Brees. It was impressive that in his final season as Saints Head Coach he used: Jameis Winston, Taysom Hill, Trevor Siemian and even Ian Book. 4 different QB'S, a winning season and no Drew Brees. After pulling that off he had nothing else to prove here and moved on, just like his Mentor: Bill Parcells! This seems like a big stretch. You are saying that after an 11 year Super Bowl drought Payton had nothing left to prove, because he showed he could still win without Drew Brees? What winning without Drew Brees meant was going 9-8 in only the 2nd year of the 17 game season, by winning the final game, in a meaningless contest where the eliminated division rival Falcons improved their draft position. It wouldn't have even been a winning season prior to 2020 it would have been 8-8. Based on this logic Bill Belichick should have retired after 2008, when he showed he could win without Tom Brady, since he is also a Parcells disciple. Also, Payton is known as an offensive guru, and the 2021 team went 9-8 on the strength of defense. It just doesn't compute that a Super Bowl winning head coach in the midst of a 10 year Super Bowl drought would have nothing to prove but that he can limp to 9-8 on the strength of the side of the ball he doesn't coach, and do it without a star QB, and to prove any more, he would have to go back and get a star QB again.
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