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wow... another criminal. lets go saints

If it is a medical condition, then Graham certainly does not need to be on the playing field. Wasted money.... again. :beatnik:

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He hasn't been charged with anything yet. You might want to reserve your rather quick judgement and wait for the facts....or not.

Then again, maybe they should be called the New Orleans convicts!?! :roflmao:

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This thing doesn't use judgement. It just spews hatred toward the Saints.

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Not quick... he was arrested .... more to the point, IF it is a medical condition, he should not be on the field. to my point.... wasted money either way. :beatnik:

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no hate... just point out facts, which you seem to disregard. :beatnik:

thought you ignored me. u idiot.

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Mean Machine!

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Dennis Allen pretty much said Graham is going to be back, just not playing today.

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.... and with a medical condition.
golly, would it not be nice to have a doctor come get your ass out of a crack for being stupid and irresponsible as a professional nfl player. :beatnik:

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Pretty Convenient... :beatnik:

The team doctor John Amoss believes that Jimmy Graham was likely suffering the effects of a seizure when he was apprehended Friday night¹³. However, there is no information available on what kind of seizure he experienced.

Source: Conversation with Bing, 8/21/2023
(1) Jimmy Graham arrested in Los Angeles, Saints say he suffered seizure. https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2023...eam-statement/.
(2) Saints' Jimmy Graham arrested after 'likely seizure' disoriented him. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...m/70631854007/.
(3) Jimmy Graham Taken Into Custody After Medical Episode, Saints Say. https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/08/19/ji...gers-preseason.
(4) Jimmy Graham arrested: Saints say TE suffered seizure during 'medical .... https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...ont4s2qsangyw2.
(5) New Orleans Saints announce Jimmy Graham experienced a 'likely seizure .... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/n...from-hospital/.

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Maybe the Saints bring in another veteran TE after the final cuts?

No timetable on if/when Jimmy G can play football again.

I have Juwan, Foster & Taysom. I don't see Krull making this team.

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I don't see Jimmy Graham making the opening day roster at this point but do believe he will be one of those players brought back in week 2 and will be one of those guys released and brought up several times during the season.

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Krull dropped the ball(s)... pun intended. Maybe also be the reason Grambeaux sticks around. We haven't seen./heard much from the rest of the position group, save Juwan and Foster.

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Out of curiosity Matthew, is this recent event why you feel he won’t make team?

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I was wondering the same thing.

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I don’t know if they will have time to get all the answers they need for him to get back on the field for the start of the season. If cleared I can see the call up after week 1.

I know this to be true, unless a proven diagnosis on this neurological event is found Jimmy Graham’s flying days over. “With a history epilepsy a pilot can be considered for certification only if there has been 10 years since the last seizure and 10 years since anti convulsant medication has been used. A single seizure might be reconsidered if at least 4 years have passed since the last seizure and no anti convulsant drugs were used”.

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Of course, it's just speculation that he even experienced a seizure.

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Y'all reading me wrong, I said I didn't think JG would make the opening day roster but would be brought back in week 2. This event will make it highly unlikely someone would try and claim him off the waiver wire and would be one of those veteran guys released and brought back, depending on the week to week game plan.

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Krull hasn't really passed the eye test this year. Jimmy has looked smooth out there and I can see him landing on the final 53. It would be ideal if he would go the PS to get called up when we need him. Can a PS player refuse to sign with another team if they want to stay?

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True AG but the FAA’s position on this type of event happening whether a seizure or some other causation it must be reported immediately and they ask that you surrender your Flight medical.

I have seen this more than once minimum 4 years of no reoccurrence is almost always enforced. Good friend had a similar issue never regained his medical.

Working commercial pilots their livelihood is literally medical to medical every 6 months.

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Jimmy Graham won't be able to play. Roger will suspend him for 10 games for getting arrested.

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I assume that is facetious, no? Sometimes it's difficult to tell. :D

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only that he was arrested and a medical professional for the NFL claims/says so. speculation....right. Either the original arrest is correct or the dude wearing the stethoscope is.... but speculation :beatnik:

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we know...:beatnik:

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Unfortunate.

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I actually feel bad for the guy. Jimmy has been a good team mate where ever he suited up. He seems like a really good guy and I feel bad that his passion for flying planes may be grounded forever. Like K said. It's unfortunate. But maybe there is a deeper issue that he can get under control and lead a good healthy life.

Incidentally, I don't hold the whole TE/WR contract dispute against Jimmy. As I understand it the NFLPA insisted on the WR designation. Not Jimmy. Although I'm sure his agent liked the idea of extra money. ;)

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Yup. There are some out there that never understood that dynamic. The NFLPA had been waiting years for a proper test case and Graham's situation fit the bill perfectly. He took the misguided PR hit for the good of future player compensation. If you noticed he never once made any comment (public or private) concerning the whole case. Pure class.

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I feel bad for Graham too. I hope he is able to recover. If he can't fly, maybe he can at least enjoy flying with a friend or something. As a player he was very exciting. At his peak I just didn't value him as highly as the contract I believed he would be able to negotiate with another team. That is nothing personal. He was just not built to be a brawler and at the time the NFL was allowing secondary's like Seattle's to get more physical. He also didn't seem to have Tony Gonzalez's ability to brush off the big hits and get away with being a finesse TE against tough defenses. So Graham would rack up stats in the regular season and then in the playoffs a defensive team would put a big physical corner on him and he would become a liability. He didn't perform like a top WR who would beat the top big corner half the time, the top corner would dominate him. I think Gronk was a lot more valuable because although they could put up similar numbers in the regular season, Gronk was much harder to account for in the playoffs because if you tried to beat up Gronk you were going to get your own stars hurt and have them on the turf holding their knees watching Gronk spike the ball. If you got physical with Graham with defensive stars your stars were going to be on top of the ball in the endzone with a touchback. Some of the same issues I had with Brandin Cooks. Both were big playmakers but both had some limitations on contested plays against the best defenses.

I think we were smart to trade both Graham and Cooks, because ultimately if you are a perennial playoff team you don't want to invest too much in players who are built to get you to the playoffs but not win there. I think Payton's mentality was changing after moving on from those players. It doesn't mean they were bad guys, just not everyone has that extra physical gear for knock down drag out games, and you can't be spending what they were going to demand on regular season stats alone. Its good to have players who need to be accounted for, but its better to have players who can't be accounted for, and with Graham and Cooks we faced paying the latter price for the prior ability.

I hope Graham can come back. I think he can possibly be an effective role player at this stage in his career if teams simply fail to account for him.

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Looks like Jimmy is going to be back at practice tomorrow.

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Grambeaux was running away?

Wonder why TMZ released this video?

Rentacops chasing him?

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All I know is I’ve never seen someone having a “seizure” while upright and mobile. Especially running or jogging. That doesn’t make sense.

Now I have seen people become combative after the come out of a seizure. But that’s rare and it’s also not for long periods of time.

The whole thing is weird. I sure hope everything is on the up and up and not a cover up.

Who knows.

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Sounds like drugs to me. The police are sometimes wrong but generally know by looking at someone what they are high on, thus the arrest then sent to hospital just in case they overdosed. Who knows for sure...

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He would have absolutely been tested while in the hospital. If it was drugs he wouldn't be out there on the field today.

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Perhaps true, but I do believe NFL testing and testing from police are two different issues, if no charges are ever filed then nothing will become of it.

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According to reports, the Saints team doctor, John Amoss, was there with him at the hospital. He would have undoubtedly had plenty of tests run immediately. I believe the Saints would be required to self report if there was any positive drug testing.

Another report ...

The fact that Graham isn’t expected to miss more time because of this incident is an undeniably positive development. This also means that the veteran has likely been cleared of any charges from local authorities. At this point, we could see him take the field on Sunday against the Houston Texans.

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If you google phrases like walking seizure you will see there are many types of seizures and anything is possible. A seizure can broadly effect the whole brain and knock a person down or effect a very specific region and only block some functions. In the latter case it could easily disrupy higher reasoning without preventing aimless walking.

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Another possibility: He could have taken Ambien or Lunesta.
Some people taking these drugs sleepwalk or do unusual things in their sleep, such as:
making phone calls
cooking
eating
driving
having sex

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Also possible that Foskey and/or Kroll took these before our preseason game.

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Possibly. Both are on the "permitted list" of substances in the US Anti-Doping Agency EXAMPLES OF PROHIBITED AND PERMITTED SUBSTANCES AND METHODS.