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Did Haener win QB2?

Kendre Miller is good.

Lalos and Shaq Davis show us something. Summers too.

Overall interesting and a good eval for those players trying to make the team.

Can the Saints go 23-0 ?

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We have some legit receiving threats. Penning is disappointing. Really impressed by Haener. Too many penalties. Didn't watch every minute but were there any injuries?

The fact NY can call a player off the field at their descression is absolute B.S. Haener looked fine after that hit.

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Too many penalties folks.

24 in two games.

Flag city ain’t gonna cut it.

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The way Haener threw the ball tonite should answer a lot of questions on his place with the team. 11-17 118 yards could have been much better if Krull could have hung on to 2 very well placed throws.

I liked his pocket presence, scrambling ability and decision making. His arm is stronger than it’s been portrayed and his throw are accurate or placed where only his guy can get to it.

Jameis … one great throw then throws it into quadruple coverage in the end zone. That kind of mind numbing play is just not acceptable … preseason or not. He shows no pocket presence, never seems to be in the same place so his coverage breaks down and when the first read does not happen, it ain’t pretty.

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This may sting but Isaiah Foskey shows nothing.

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Jameis Winston is laughing all the way to bank. We don’t save a penny if we cut him so he is guaranteed to make the team. Then in 2024 we owe $11 million if he walks, so Loomis will likely offer him more to stay and defer the cap hit.

Nick Kroll does not have what it takes to play TE in the NFL.

We should go young at WR. There is more upside.

Andrus Peat should have been playing for his job today. Giving him the game off sends the wrong message.

As a pass rusher Foskey has the killer instinct to close plays of a cast member at a haunted house pretending like he might grab someone.

Haener makes quick decisions, hits the seems, and is accurate on many throws. Winston is clumsy on the short and intermediate stuff so teams dont have to respect that and he has to throw into double coverage or worse deep. But like I said his contract makes Winston a Saint for life. He may be alright with our starting receivers who are better jump ball deep threats.

The refs showed once again they will screw us. This has to count minus 2-3 wins for our season.

Chargers MVP: Refs

Saints MVP: Easton Stick

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I don't know how Kendre Miller is supposed to stay healthy or even make any yardage gains when the O line whiff blocks and he gets hit as he takes the hand-off.

Penning, touted for his run blocking ability, had one of the worst whiffs I've ever seen on a stretch run play.

The Chargers managed to get an unblocked sack, when sending only 4 people because our left guard just turned the complete opposite way. I know some of these guys won't play, but many might because our O line is injury prone.
Not a good look.

Payton Turner with a good sack and force fumble, that Bressee picked up.

I think Foskey is gonna find his way onto IR magically this year, he simply does not look like he can play at the NFL level. Maybe they redshirt him.

Lalos outplayed him and pretty sure that guy was an UDFA.

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I find myself crossing my fingers and hoping for the best when Winston drops back.
He looks clumsy and shaken.

Jaylon Smith. A BIG, if is coming. If Jaylon Smith plays consistently like he did last night, questions about our LB depth may be answered. Playing like he played, may I say the order of our LB depth could be reordered.

Payton Turner continues to prove me correct. When he plays, his number gets called for all the right reasons.

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We talked about this last season numerous time... discipline doesn't seem to be on Allen's radar. If the coach doesn't drive it, and the veterans do not have it, the rookies have no place to get it.

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Jake Haener seems to be quickly closing the gap on Winston, I don't think he has passed him yet, but I believe he may by mid-season or sooner.

O-line, just a big ole mess, hopefully the starters perform and don't have injury issues this year.

I would say at this point the Saints RB situation is good, unless injuries occur, I think they are set and likely out of the market for additional help at this point.

Nothing more I can add about the penalties, we all know that needs to be quickly fixed or the Saints will start the season 0-3.

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All valid points with the penalties. Hopefully it's merely a result of playing bodies to see if they will be worthy of making the team.

The rookie WRs all made 3Qs expendable. Shaq Davis looks huge out there. AT Perry is the same.
WR1 Olave
WR2 MT
WR3/4 Shaheed
WR4/3 AT Perry
WR5 Shaq Davis
WR6 Maybe Trequan ?

Lonnie Johnson may have beat out Roby at CB. Yiadom too.
Howden makes the team.
Pride is a special teamer for now.
Foskey needs a lot of work. Missing all that time hurt him so far.
How can you cut Lalos? Is he the next Rob Ninkovich?
Cage is a PS guy. Same for Emili and Heflin. And Filiaga at G.
No need to bring more help at LB. Something will shake out from our bunch.
We're not done figuring out our OL depth.
We're good at RB too. Not sold on Williams yet.
Krull is getting his chances but not coming through. We didn't see much of the other TEs for some reason.
QBs are set... and this is indeed Jameis' last year here. Unless we find a trade partner that's willing to take on the cap hit sometime this year.
Lots of fringe players that will be special teamers, like Kirklin out of LSU.

One more week of evals.

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Unfortunately to some, I think Edwards' performance may have locked Tre'Quan onto the roster. He was asked to do the same things as Tre'Quan but failed miserably. He was flagged multiple times on those rubs that Tre'Quan gets away with unnoticed. He also dropped more than one easy one that Tre'Quan usually hauls in. Perry is a lock. If we keep six then Davis may round it out.

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I was actually surprised they waited as long as they did to evaluate Haener. They showed him walking back to the huddle after what I believe may have been the next play and he was closing his eyes and shaking his head. That surely didn't go unnoticed both upstairs and in New York given it was the only game in play.

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The targeting should have been an ejection, FWIW.

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I've only watched the first half so far, will watch the second half today.

So far...

• Penning and Adebo both got worked by rookies.
• Other than a few plays, run blocking needs work.
• Did see some potential at LB. That was encouraging!
• Malcolm Roach is underrated every year.
• Those penalties will kill us.
• Krull is a 50/50.
• Where did Bowden JR. come from?

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Agreed. I was kind of confused as to why it wasn't called. I thought I saw him put the crown of his helmet into the helmet of the QB. Am I misunderstanding what constitutes targeting?

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Perry, might be a practice squad player or a go to the XFL/USFL for a season and work those issues out player. Can't have those penalties.

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DA giving Isaiah Foskey an ear full.

It's probably just me but his body language has been bad the last two games. Show more effort.

In the previous play, the QB walked into the endzone on Foskey's edge.

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Baldy with a quick breakdown of Jake Haener.

FWIW, he looks way better than Ian Book as a rookie. His mechanics, awareness, composure & touch (dropped td pass by Edwards & Krull :rolleyes:).

2 drops, 1 called back & Jake throwing rainbows. Doesn't get much better than that. I'd like to see him start the last pre season game. At this point, we know what Winston is.

Solid showing for Jake.

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Here is an observation for you regarding the media. Now, I’ll fully say the Saints had too many penalties and need to clean up things. However, I’m seeing a common theme in the coverage…basically it’s the Chargers D is awesome and the Saints are sloppy. Here I example:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ule-highlights

Now this could be true, but didn’t the Saints D force turnovers, punts, Sacks, and 4th down stops? Didn’t they win the game? It’s just noteworthy that they write positive things about the team that lost while writing neagtively about the winners.

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I don't believe "targeting" is an automatic ejection in the NFL as it is in NCAA ball.

NFL targeting rules by the book

There isn’t officially a “targeting” rule in the NFL rulebook. Rather, they have a lowering the helmet rule. For the 2022 season, that rule was clarified in the name of player safety to say, “It is a foul if a player lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent.” The addition of the “forcible” to the rule from previous years puts it much more in the line of targeting as we know it.

Is a player ejected for targeting in the NFL?

There is no mandatory ejection for this type of penalty in the NFL. Punishment is typically handed out after a review of the play/penalty by the league following the game and it is more likely that a fine will be handed out rather than a suspension, though that is possible. Depending on the play, a player can be ejected, though. It is up to the discretion of the officials.

NFL targeting rules vs. college football

The biggest difference between the NFL and college football when it comes to proverbial targeting rules (other than the terminology, as mentioned) is the ejection. While ejections are up for discretion in the NFL, that is not the case if, after review, a player is deemed to have committed a targeting foul. If that happens, the player is ejected and suspended for the next half (if it occurs in the first half of a game, he will only miss the second half).

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Foskey said in his post-draft interview, that there's no better player to learn from than Cam Jordan.

If a player is still learning, you can excuse miscues as they grow but he looks bored and dejected out there.

Something that absolutely won't be excused is poor effort and I hope DA is making sure of that.

An example, I know Junior Galette ended here on very bad terms, but can anyone remember him in Preseason as a rookie?

He literally never stopped running, going after QB's, chasing bubble screens, chasing ball carriers. And it showed, because come gameday in 2013, if Cam didn't get you, Galette did.

Foskey really needs to step up, at this stage, Lalos definitely deserves a roster spot over Foskey.

Almost like the Pierre Thomas / Antonio Pittman preseason.

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Maybe I have missed some info, or insight from others, but what are the chances for the Merriweather kid at RB? I think he’s looked pretty decent so far, has a pretty crowded position group, but maybe as a special teaser or practice squad body.

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Apparently, I was too optimistic about how Edwards would have a come back season. At this point 3Q may be a better option. Ugh!

Why would anyone have any faith in the Saints positive moments? They are a bunch of bounty hunting cheaters with a crappy QB. :brood:

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Final recap on the Bolts/Saints game:

Bresee has made plays & "flashed" in games.
Foskey badly needs more reps & needs to develop more moves (that was his knock by a lot of scouts).
AT Perry did the most with his reps & likely secured a roster spot.
Haener looks confident, poised and in control under center. No way he's cut.
Payton Turner has performed well & the pressure is there. Not sure what the hell Jeff Duncan is watching at practice.
Penning aka Junk Yard Dawg has to improve with his technique. You can't "whiff" against legit DE's in the league. That will get your QB seriously injured.

Collectively, the Saints need to correct the mental (penalties) errors. It will cost you on Sundays.

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I watched the first half.

D line looked pretty sharp. Eased some earlier concerns. Hope they continue to gel.
I hope a valuable O lineman presents himself on the waiver wire.
Jaylon Smith passed Zach Baun on the depth chart having been with the team a whopping seven days...
Jameis is there to coach up the second string. He holds the ball too long and throws into impossible windows.
Penning needs to show more and I hope he plays at least another half game next week.
We may have a better WR room than I gave credit for after all...

Heard Haener settled in and played well.

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This may not be Saints related but it sure is cringeworthy that the Jets fans think they are going to win the Super Bowl. Watching Greeny basically drool over Aaron Rodgers on ESPN is so bad. Let's all make a vow that we never become that obnoxious. Also, Carr will be better than Rodgers(made it Saints related).

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Agree that Carr will out perform Rodgers.

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I love watching Greenie get his hopes up every year. It's just like the Cowboys rub from Stephen A. :rofl:


The J E T S are our farm team! :bng:

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I can definitely see how they think that since two of the last three Superbowls were Brady joining the Bucs and winning it all his first year and Stafford joining the Rams and winning it all his first year. This seems like a similar situation except Rodgers has less than 6 and more and than 0 previous rings. I don't think the Jets are on the level of the Chiefs, Bills, and Bengals but I can see how they are close and I wouldn't rule it out. They could be on the level of the NFC elites like Philly and SF but they don't have the easier playoff path of the NFC. Someone has to win it all and I could see ranking them something like 7th on the probability list. If Saleh can bring a 49ers caliber defense, Sauce continues to be a shut down corner, and Rodgers imports the Green Bay offense you can't rule it out. Their oline leaves some doubts though.

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Aaron Rodgers throws the ball out of bounds with the best of them.