Who's on the bubble?

BakoSaint · 08-30-2023, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

"If you listen to fans, you'll be sitting up there with them". Buddy Ryan

Buddy Ryan was a career .500 head coach in the regular season and lost every playoff game as head coach.

It has been widely reported that Mickey Loomis was prepared to trade Sean Payton to the Dallas Cowboys several years ago, but at time he was also managing the Pelicans and had to trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers as he could not afford to keep Davis long term. So, Loomis pulled the Payton trade because he thought the PR hit would be too big from shipping away Davis and Payton in the same offseason. This would seem to contradict the idea that we as fans shouldn't even bother having opinions because management is not concerned. In fact it shows the opposite, that management is so concerned with our opinions that they are trying to guess what those opinions will be in advance. The thing is, one fans opinion won't do much alone, we have to convince others, because teams are worried about what the majority of the fan base will think. At least Loomis definitely is. So as we all share out opinions here its like a massive arena battle for which opinions will become popular, and those opinions will affect decision makers, either forcing them to go along or to go away. I am fighting the long fight with my opinions, and if the results don't change from what we have seen the last two years, they will eventually affect the decisions or who makes them.

K Major · 08-30-2023, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Buddy Ryan was a career .500 head coach in the regular season and lost every playoff game as head coach.

It has been widely reported that Mickey Loomis was prepared to trade Sean Payton to the Dallas Cowboys several years ago, but at time he was also managing the Pelicans and had to trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers as he could not afford to keep Davis long term. So, Loomis pulled the Payton trade because he thought the PR hit would be too big from shipping away Davis and Payton in the same offseason. This would seem to contradict the idea that we as fans shouldn't even bother having opinions because management is not concerned. In fact it shows the opposite, that management is so concerned with our opinions that they are trying to guess what those opinions will be in advance. The thing is, one fans opinion won't do much alone, we have to convince others, because teams are worried about what the majority of the fan base will think. At least Loomis definitely is. So as we all share out opinions here its like a massive arena battle for which opinions will become popular, and those opinions will affect decision makers, either forcing them to go along or to go away. I am fighting the long fight with my opinions, and if the results don't change from what we have seen the last two years, they will eventually affect the decisions or who makes them.

But knew a helluva lot more than the “average” sports fan.

I won’t pretend to know how the cap, drafting and evaluation works at the NFL level. I”ll leave that to the millionaires (Loomis, Hartley, coaches) to stress over.

Criticizing every move Loomis and the front office makes isn’t worth my time.

AsylumGuido · 08-31-2023, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

But knew a helluva lot more than the “average” sports fan.

I won’t pretend to know how the cap, drafting and evaluation works at the NFL level. I”ll leave that to the millionaires (Loomis, Hartley, coaches) to stress over.

Criticizing every move Loomis and the front office makes isn’t worth my time.

Paradoxically this appears to be both the purpose and bane of Bako's existence.

WW_Who_Dat · 08-31-2023, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Paradoxically this appears to be both the purpose and bane of Bako's existence.

Without question Loomis lives in Bako’s head rent free!

BakoSaint · 08-31-2023, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Without question Loomis lives in Bako’s head rent free!

Alcohol lives in Loomis' head rent free. But that whole phrase is stupid. WWII historians including Winston Churchill have written volumes about how Neville Chamberlain mismanaged the war. It does not mean Neville Chamberlain lives rent free in Winston Churchills head, it means they had a strong difference of opinion about what the person in power at the time should have done. Likewise some whistleblowers in finance wrote a lot about how companies like Enron took on too much debt and speculation or questioned whether companies like Tesla or Theranos could meet their deadlines. As a fan I have a right to question and disagree with management. Time will prove me right or wrong. I don't think we can become serious contenders again without rebuilding. We will see.

08-30-2023, 06:35 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by K Major "If you listen to fans, you'll be sitting up there with them". Buddy Ryan Buddy Ryan was a career .500 head coach in the regular season and lost every playoff game as head coach. It has been widely reported that Mickey Loomis was prepared to trade Sean Payton to the Dallas Cowboys several years ago, but at time he was also managing the Pelicans and had to trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers as he could not afford to keep Davis long term. So, Loomis pulled the Payton trade because he thought the PR hit would be too big from shipping away Davis and Payton in the same offseason. This would seem to contradict the idea that we as fans shouldn't even bother having opinions because management is not concerned. In fact it shows the opposite, that management is so concerned with our opinions that they are trying to guess what those opinions will be in advance. The thing is, one fans opinion won't do much alone, we have to convince others, because teams are worried about what the majority of the fan base will think. At least Loomis definitely is. So as we all share out opinions here its like a massive arena battle for which opinions will become popular, and those opinions will affect decision makers, either forcing them to go along or to go away. I am fighting the long fight with my opinions, and if the results don't change from what we have seen the last two years, they will eventually affect the decisions or who makes them.
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08-30-2023, 07:42 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by BakoSaint Buddy Ryan was a career .500 head coach in the regular season and lost every playoff game as head coach. It has been widely reported that Mickey Loomis was prepared to trade Sean Payton to the Dallas Cowboys several years ago, but at time he was also managing the Pelicans and had to trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers as he could not afford to keep Davis long term. So, Loomis pulled the Payton trade because he thought the PR hit would be too big from shipping away Davis and Payton in the same offseason. This would seem to contradict the idea that we as fans shouldn't even bother having opinions because management is not concerned. In fact it shows the opposite, that management is so concerned with our opinions that they are trying to guess what those opinions will be in advance. The thing is, one fans opinion won't do much alone, we have to convince others, because teams are worried about what the majority of the fan base will think. At least Loomis definitely is. So as we all share out opinions here its like a massive arena battle for which opinions will become popular, and those opinions will affect decision makers, either forcing them to go along or to go away. I am fighting the long fight with my opinions, and if the results don't change from what we have seen the last two years, they will eventually affect the decisions or who makes them. But knew a helluva lot more than the “average” sports fan. I won’t pretend to know how the cap, drafting and evaluation works at the NFL level. I”ll leave that to the millionaires (Loomis, Hartley, coaches) to stress over. Criticizing every move Loomis and the front office makes isn’t worth my time.

08-31-2023, 07:50 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by K Major But knew a helluva lot more than the “average” sports fan. I won’t pretend to know how the cap, drafting and evaluation works at the NFL level. I”ll leave that to the millionaires (Loomis, Hartley, coaches) to stress over. Criticizing every move Loomis and the front office makes isn’t worth my time. Paradoxically this appears to be both the purpose and bane of Bako's existence.

08-31-2023, 08:30 AM	#4
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,277 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Paradoxically this appears to be both the purpose and bane of Bako's existence. Without question Loomis lives in Bako’s head rent free! AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-31-2023, 09:59 AM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: Who's on the bubble? Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Without question Loomis lives in Bako’s head rent free! Alcohol lives in Loomis' head rent free. But that whole phrase is stupid. WWII historians including Winston Churchill have written volumes about how Neville Chamberlain mismanaged the war. It does not mean Neville Chamberlain lives rent free in Winston Churchills head, it means they had a strong difference of opinion about what the person in power at the time should have done. Likewise some whistleblowers in finance wrote a lot about how companies like Enron took on too much debt and speculation or questioned whether companies like Tesla or Theranos could meet their deadlines. As a fan I have a right to question and disagree with management. Time will prove me right or wrong. I don't think we can become serious contenders again without rebuilding. We will see.
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