Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread

09-19-2023, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Agreed. Allen as a defensive coordinator is truly elite. Pete Carmichael has to be replaced though. We’re so unimaginative and far too conservative. With our receivers we should be taking shots down the sideline anytime we get 1 on 1 coverage. It’ll open things up underneath and in the run game.

I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans.

K Major · 09-19-2023, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans.

Agreed. Still a innovative mind.

Pete C isn't creative enough & is predictable.

SmashMouth · 09-19-2023, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans.

Originally Posted by K Major

Agreed. Still a innovative mind.

Pete C isn't creative enough & is predictable.

How do we know if he's not helping out now from the behind the scenes ?

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2023, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

How do we know if he's not helping out now from the behind the scenes ?

With the current lawsuit he has going against the NFL I would think that "behind the scenes" would be the only way he'd be allowed in the league.

K Major · 09-19-2023, 04:10 PM

Timestamp starting around 4:26.

Penning gave that LB the business & away from the play

. Grown man move.

TD

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AsylumGuido · 09-19-2023, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Agreed. Still a innovative mind.

Pete C isn't creative enough & is predictable.

Sean Payton's having his own offense issues in Denver right now. It doesn't matter how innovative and creative you might be if the offensive line isn't holding up their part of the bargain yet.

WW_Who_Dat · 09-19-2023, 04:37 PM

One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB.

Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season.

Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant.

2 down 21 to go.

dizzle88 · 09-19-2023, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB.

Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season.

Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant.

2 down 21 to go.

Agreed, the Defense had them on the ropes the entire game.

The "prevent" defense didn't prevent anything. The Panthers marched 70 yards in 50 seconds, using zero timeouts and scoring a TD.

no_cloning · 09-19-2023, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Olave wasn't touched after that catch. He could have kept running but he threw the ball on the floor.

That's what I saw. If Bell picks up the ball, that's a fumble recovered by Carolina, right?

Penning holds up well against bull rushes and he is a mauler in the run game, but attack him with speed and he loses much too often. If I can see that, opposing DCs will see it and it won't get any prettier. Don't know how to fix that fast aside from getting him some TE/FB help.

Not ready to call for Carmichael's head. He's working with what he's got. Let's see how it turns out with Kamara back.

If the cost of winning is bringing in Gruden - that price is too high for me. Still dislike him so much.

Defensive line play the positive surprise of the season.

WW_Who_Dat · 09-19-2023, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed, the Defense had them on the ropes the entire game.

The "prevent" defense didn't prevent anything. The Panthers marched 70 yards in 50 seconds, using zero timeouts and scoring a TD.

I said last night, I think one or more of the defensive captain will have conversations with DA about statistically diminishing an outstanding performance with that kind of dated defense that seldom accomplishes it stated purpose. Last night only thing it prevented was a 20-9 win.

09-19-2023, 03:29 PM	#261
Threaded by iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,257 Blog Entries: 1 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by rezburna Agreed. Allen as a defensive coordinator is truly elite. Pete Carmichael has to be replaced though. We’re so unimaginative and far too conservative. With our receivers we should be taking shots down the sideline anytime we get 1 on 1 coverage. It’ll open things up underneath and in the run game. I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans. SmashMouth, K Major, rezburna and 1 others like this.
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09-19-2023, 03:34 PM	#262
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by iceshack149 I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans. Agreed. Still a innovative mind. Pete C isn't creative enough & is predictable.

09-19-2023, 04:07 PM	#263
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by iceshack149 I say bring back Gruden. Unless he's completely 86'd from the NFL I'd like to see what he could bring to New Orleans. Originally Posted by K Major Agreed. Still a innovative mind. Pete C isn't creative enough & is predictable. How do we know if he's not helping out now from the behind the scenes ?

09-19-2023, 04:09 PM	#264
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,210	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth How do we know if he's not helping out now from the behind the scenes ? With the current lawsuit he has going against the NFL I would think that "behind the scenes" would be the only way he'd be allowed in the league. SmashMouth likes this.

09-19-2023, 04:12 PM	#266
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,210	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by K Major Agreed. Still a innovative mind. Pete C isn't creative enough & is predictable. Sean Payton's having his own offense issues in Denver right now. It doesn't matter how innovative and creative you might be if the offensive line isn't holding up their part of the bargain yet.

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09-19-2023, 04:37 PM	#267
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB. Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season. Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant. 2 down 21 to go. dizzle88 likes this.

09-19-2023, 04:41 PM	#268
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat One question with the offensive play calling that I have, where are the screen plays, so far nonexistent. Is that because of the limited backfield options? It has always been one of tool available in preventing the Defense from teeing off on your QB. Predictable, static, conservative play calling in the first half, better in the second half they were much less predictable. Taysom behind center running and throwing even if only there 1 time. Taking handoffs/toss in the backfield all of which puts more pressure on the defenses. The guy is Beast running the ball especially when he get a head steam. Game plan him in something other than RPO that is statistically 99.9% Run so far this season. Let’s play and game plan to win 1st-4th quarter not only on offense but also on defense. Prevent defenses are a holdover philosophy from a bygone era in the NFL. If you have a good defense why take away their ability to control the out come rather than being a passive participant. 2 down 21 to go. Agreed, the Defense had them on the ropes the entire game. The "prevent" defense didn't prevent anything. The Panthers marched 70 yards in 50 seconds, using zero timeouts and scoring a TD. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

09-19-2023, 05:01 PM	#269
no_cloning 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 249	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by dizzle88 Olave wasn't touched after that catch. He could have kept running but he threw the ball on the floor. That's what I saw. If Bell picks up the ball, that's a fumble recovered by Carolina, right? Penning holds up well against bull rushes and he is a mauler in the run game, but attack him with speed and he loses much too often. If I can see that, opposing DCs will see it and it won't get any prettier. Don't know how to fix that fast aside from getting him some TE/FB help. Not ready to call for Carmichael's head. He's working with what he's got. Let's see how it turns out with Kamara back. If the cost of winning is bringing in Gruden - that price is too high for me. Still dislike him so much. Defensive line play the positive surprise of the season.
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09-19-2023, 05:01 PM	#270
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints @ Panthers Game Day Thread Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed, the Defense had them on the ropes the entire game. The "prevent" defense didn't prevent anything. The Panthers marched 70 yards in 50 seconds, using zero timeouts and scoring a TD. I said last night, I think one or more of the defensive captain will have conversations with DA about statistically diminishing an outstanding performance with that kind of dated defense that seldom accomplishes it stated purpose. Last night only thing it prevented was a 20-9 win.