Granderson Signs 4 year, $52 Million Extension

AsylumGuido · 09-23-2023, 01:36 PM

Wrap the man up!

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AsylumGuido · 09-23-2023, 01:39 PM

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rezburna · 09-23-2023, 01:50 PM

Love it.

dizzle88 · 09-23-2023, 01:51 PM

Absolutely well deserved.

Let's go Carl!!

leilung · 09-23-2023, 02:35 PM

I like this! A LOT!

Rugby Saint II · 09-23-2023, 03:41 PM

We all knew this was going to happen. Thank goodness. This sets the team up for filling any holes next year with our eight draft picks.

neugey · 09-23-2023, 05:58 PM

I'm down with it ... but can we dock Payton Turner's paycheck to help pay for it?

BakoSaint · 09-24-2023, 12:39 AM

If we have a winning season and look on track to contend in 2024 this is good. There is some risk that he has past legal infractions and has never been a full time starter for a full season to prove his durability, but everything comes with risk and at least he has been healthy and kept his hands clean lately and has good size.

The problem will be if we have a losing season, which is still very possible with our wins coming by a total of 4 points over two losing teams so far. We are now $72 million over the 2024 salary cap. Can we get under it? Yes, easily, by restructuring all our big contracts which will put us in the same situation in 2025. The problem is that if we have a losing season, we might want to get out of one or two of our big contracts. But if we try to get out of a big contract we take a hit AND we can't restructure that contract instead to save money. So as we sign more of these deals with Granderson, Ruiz, etc, the problem is that if we decide to rebuild we literally can't anyway, it doesn't matter, because we will have no choice but to take every big contract we have in the 2024 offseason and restructure it to push money down the road, we won't be able to afford to cut or trade anyone big because the cap hit it would trigger would ruin our plan to shave $72 million off our cap. The more contracts we sign when we are already the most over the cap in the league for next year, the more we pile boulders onto the soap box car racing down the hill. If it all works out, we may get ahead in the race. If it doesn't, we are going to crash very very hard.

Personally, I would have waited a few more weeks even if we had to pay a little more. Granderson looked impressive in camp and has been impressive so far this season. But in camp he faced our oline. In preseason he faced some backups and lousy teams. So far this season he faced the Titans and Panthers olines which did not impress. If we waited until midseason we could make sure we are on track to win and that Granderson has been effective against a larger sample size of teams. If we struggle against better competition and might have to rebuild, it would then make more sense to let Granderson go and use the money to take some of the cap hits neccessary to rebuild such as moving on from Thomas, Kamara, Hill, and any other big contracts that struggle. Granderson may be a fine contract for a team with a normal cap situation, but with our cap situation of being extremely leveraged and our uncertain status as a contender vs rebuild for next offseason, I think I would have slightly preferred to be more cautious. Currently we are 2-0. But currently the Falcons are also 2-0. If we beat the Falcons twice and win the division, great. But if they beat us twice and win the division, they are a much younger team, and a rebuild in 2024 would be smarter than expecting a different result. But with the contracts we have done, it doesn't matter if a rebuild would be smarter, we simply wouldn't be able to start one until 2025 at the earliest even if we wanted to, because we can't afford to do anything but restructure all our expensive players.

AsylumGuido · 09-24-2023, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If we have a winning season and look on track to contend in 2024 this is good. There is some risk that he has past legal infractions and has never been a full time starter for a full season to prove his durability, but everything comes with risk and at least he has been healthy and kept his hands clean lately and has good size.

The problem will be if we have a losing season, which is still very possible with our wins coming by a total of 4 points over two losing teams so far. We are now $72 million over the 2024 salary cap. Can we get under it? Yes, easily, by restructuring all our big contracts which will put us in the same situation in 2025. The problem is that if we have a losing season, we might want to get out of one or two of our big contracts. But if we try to get out of a big contract we take a hit AND we can't restructure that contract instead to save money. So as we sign more of these deals with Granderson, Ruiz, etc, the problem is that if we decide to rebuild we literally can't anyway, it doesn't matter, because we will have no choice but to take every big contract we have in the 2024 offseason and restructure it to push money down the road, we won't be able to afford to cut or trade anyone big because the cap hit it would trigger would ruin our plan to shave $72 million off our cap. The more contracts we sign when we are already the most over the cap in the league for next year, the more we pile boulders onto the soap box car racing down the hill. If it all works out, we may get ahead in the race. If it doesn't, we are going to crash very very hard.

Personally, I would have waited a few more weeks even if we had to pay a little more. Granderson looked impressive in camp and has been impressive so far this season. But in camp he faced our oline. In preseason he faced some backups and lousy teams. So far this season he faced the Titans and Panthers olines which did not impress. If we waited until midseason we could make sure we are on track to win and that Granderson has been effective against a larger sample size of teams. If we struggle against better competition and might have to rebuild, it would then make more sense to let Granderson go and use the money to take some of the cap hits neccessary to rebuild such as moving on from Thomas, Kamara, Hill, and any other big contracts that struggle. Granderson may be a fine contract for a team with a normal cap situation, but with our cap situation of being extremely leveraged and our uncertain status as a contender vs rebuild for next offseason, I think I would have slightly preferred to be more cautious. Currently we are 2-0. But currently the Falcons are also 2-0. If we beat the Falcons twice and win the division, great. But if they beat us twice and win the division, they are a much younger team, and a rebuild in 2024 would be smarter than expecting a different result. But with the contracts we have done, it doesn't matter if a rebuild would be smarter, we simply wouldn't be able to start one until 2025 at the earliest even if we wanted to, because we can't afford to do anything but restructure all our expensive players.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-24-2023, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I am. Bako doesn't like kicking the can. He wants the ability to do a complete teardown of the team and start over.

The question is though can one win in the NFL starting from scratch on rookie contracts. Do you want an organization that would let folks like Lattimore, Jordan, Ram, and Kamara go after 7 years (4 years rookie, 5th year extension, and two franchise tags if possible) because the minute you sign anyone to a second contract, you then have to manage it?

Loomis and Harley are relying on the increasing salary cap. A number that's more reliable than the stock market, with exactly 1 down year in over 30 years. They manage it knowing that they will eventually have to pay at the end. But the team remains intact, the guys are satisfied and are still playing well, and it give enough flexibility that we can bring in new pieces.

It's been 3 years and folks are still complaining about letting Hedrickson go to free agency. But if the Saints had offered him a contract, it would have had to be managed just like all the others.

There's just no perfect way to do this. But the Saints' current method seems to be more sustainable than many of the others. Look at the Rams for example. Put all in to win a Super Bowl. Now back to mediocrity with no draft stock coming anytime soon.

SFIAH

09-23-2023, 01:36 PM	#1
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,777	Re: Granderson Signs 4 year, $52 Million Extension We all knew this was going to happen. Thank goodness. This sets the team up for filling any holes next year with our eight draft picks. Crusader and stickman like this.

09-23-2023, 05:58 PM	#7
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,606 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Granderson Signs 4 year, $52 Million Extension I'm down with it ... but can we dock Payton Turner's paycheck to help pay for it? dizzle88 likes this.

09-24-2023, 12:39 AM	#8
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,770	Re: Granderson Signs 4 year, $52 Million Extension If we have a winning season and look on track to contend in 2024 this is good. There is some risk that he has past legal infractions and has never been a full time starter for a full season to prove his durability, but everything comes with risk and at least he has been healthy and kept his hands clean lately and has good size. The problem will be if we have a losing season, which is still very possible with our wins coming by a total of 4 points over two losing teams so far. We are now $72 million over the 2024 salary cap. Can we get under it? Yes, easily, by restructuring all our big contracts which will put us in the same situation in 2025. The problem is that if we have a losing season, we might want to get out of one or two of our big contracts. But if we try to get out of a big contract we take a hit AND we can't restructure that contract instead to save money. So as we sign more of these deals with Granderson, Ruiz, etc, the problem is that if we decide to rebuild we literally can't anyway, it doesn't matter, because we will have no choice but to take every big contract we have in the 2024 offseason and restructure it to push money down the road, we won't be able to afford to cut or trade anyone big because the cap hit it would trigger would ruin our plan to shave $72 million off our cap. The more contracts we sign when we are already the most over the cap in the league for next year, the more we pile boulders onto the soap box car racing down the hill. If it all works out, we may get ahead in the race. If it doesn't, we are going to crash very very hard. Personally, I would have waited a few more weeks even if we had to pay a little more. Granderson looked impressive in camp and has been impressive so far this season. But in camp he faced our oline. In preseason he faced some backups and lousy teams. So far this season he faced the Titans and Panthers olines which did not impress. If we waited until midseason we could make sure we are on track to win and that Granderson has been effective against a larger sample size of teams. If we struggle against better competition and might have to rebuild, it would then make more sense to let Granderson go and use the money to take some of the cap hits neccessary to rebuild such as moving on from Thomas, Kamara, Hill, and any other big contracts that struggle. Granderson may be a fine contract for a team with a normal cap situation, but with our cap situation of being extremely leveraged and our uncertain status as a contender vs rebuild for next offseason, I think I would have slightly preferred to be more cautious. Currently we are 2-0. But currently the Falcons are also 2-0. If we beat the Falcons twice and win the division, great. But if they beat us twice and win the division, they are a much younger team, and a rebuild in 2024 would be smarter than expecting a different result. But with the contracts we have done, it doesn't matter if a rebuild would be smarter, we simply wouldn't be able to start one until 2025 at the earliest even if we wanted to, because we can't afford to do anything but restructure all our expensive players.
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09-24-2023, 08:36 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,415	Re: Granderson Signs 4 year, $52 Million Extension Originally Posted by BakoSaint If we have a winning season and look on track to contend in 2024 this is good. There is some risk that he has past legal infractions and has never been a full time starter for a full season to prove his durability, but everything comes with risk and at least he has been healthy and kept his hands clean lately and has good size. The problem will be if we have a losing season, which is still very possible with our wins coming by a total of 4 points over two losing teams so far. We are now $72 million over the 2024 salary cap. Can we get under it? Yes, easily, by restructuring all our big contracts which will put us in the same situation in 2025. The problem is that if we have a losing season, we might want to get out of one or two of our big contracts. But if we try to get out of a big contract we take a hit AND we can't restructure that contract instead to save money. So as we sign more of these deals with Granderson, Ruiz, etc, the problem is that if we decide to rebuild we literally can't anyway, it doesn't matter, because we will have no choice but to take every big contract we have in the 2024 offseason and restructure it to push money down the road, we won't be able to afford to cut or trade anyone big because the cap hit it would trigger would ruin our plan to shave $72 million off our cap. The more contracts we sign when we are already the most over the cap in the league for next year, the more we pile boulders onto the soap box car racing down the hill. If it all works out, we may get ahead in the race. If it doesn't, we are going to crash very very hard. Personally, I would have waited a few more weeks even if we had to pay a little more. Granderson looked impressive in camp and has been impressive so far this season. But in camp he faced our oline. In preseason he faced some backups and lousy teams. So far this season he faced the Titans and Panthers olines which did not impress. If we waited until midseason we could make sure we are on track to win and that Granderson has been effective against a larger sample size of teams. If we struggle against better competition and might have to rebuild, it would then make more sense to let Granderson go and use the money to take some of the cap hits neccessary to rebuild such as moving on from Thomas, Kamara, Hill, and any other big contracts that struggle. Granderson may be a fine contract for a team with a normal cap situation, but with our cap situation of being extremely leveraged and our uncertain status as a contender vs rebuild for next offseason, I think I would have slightly preferred to be more cautious. Currently we are 2-0. But currently the Falcons are also 2-0. If we beat the Falcons twice and win the division, great. But if they beat us twice and win the division, they are a much younger team, and a rebuild in 2024 would be smarter than expecting a different result. But with the contracts we have done, it doesn't matter if a rebuild would be smarter, we simply wouldn't be able to start one until 2025 at the earliest even if we wanted to, because we can't afford to do anything but restructure all our expensive players.

09-24-2023, 09:26 AM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Granderson Signs 4 year, $52 Million Extension Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I am. Bako doesn't like kicking the can. He wants the ability to do a complete teardown of the team and start over. The question is though can one win in the NFL starting from scratch on rookie contracts. Do you want an organization that would let folks like Lattimore, Jordan, Ram, and Kamara go after 7 years (4 years rookie, 5th year extension, and two franchise tags if possible) because the minute you sign anyone to a second contract, you then have to manage it? Loomis and Harley are relying on the increasing salary cap. A number that's more reliable than the stock market, with exactly 1 down year in over 30 years. They manage it knowing that they will eventually have to pay at the end. But the team remains intact, the guys are satisfied and are still playing well, and it give enough flexibility that we can bring in new pieces. It's been 3 years and folks are still complaining about letting Hedrickson go to free agency. But if the Saints had offered him a contract, it would have had to be managed just like all the others. There's just no perfect way to do this. But the Saints' current method seems to be more sustainable than many of the others. Look at the Rams for example. Put all in to win a Super Bowl. Now back to mediocrity with no draft stock coming anytime soon. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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