Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread

10-01-2023, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Bo nix is trash? Lmao agree to disagree. Whatever argument you make for Penix I can make for Bo.

I doubt that. Penix suffered injuries in his first three seasons at Indiana. He played well before those injuries. Bo has never played less than 10 games his entire career and he was ass at Auburn. Don’t be fooled by that RPO, quick screen offense Oregon runs. Everybody lights it up out there.

shawnkytonk · 10-01-2023, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I doubt that. Penix suffered injuries in his first three seasons at Indiana. He played well before those injuries. Bo has never played less than 10 games his entire career and he was ass at Auburn. Don’t be fooled by that RPO, quick screen offense Oregon runs. Everybody lights it up out there.

Yep. PAC12 = NO DEFENSE

CheramieIII · 10-01-2023, 05:53 PM

We need to cut JW! Carr is a backup at best! Fire Allen and Carmichael! We need to trade MT for a QB and promote someone from the practice squad to take his place! Who can we get as a head coach and OC for the rest of the season! Hell the season is lost anyway with the staff we have! Carr has 2 TD’s and 2 INT’s through four games! That does not look good!! Olave and Saheed need to be fed! We can’t keep running AK and passing to him every down!!!

Rell&Gold · 10-01-2023, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I doubt that. Penix suffered injuries in his first three seasons at Indiana. He played well before those injuries. Bo has never played less than 10 games his entire career and he was ass at Auburn. Don’t be fooled by that RPO, quick screen offense Oregon runs. Everybody lights it up out there.

What offense is Penix running? Justin Herbert was Oregon too he ain't too shabby. Jalen Hurts ran a nice bit of RPO as well A Richardson too, Are saying RPO heavy QBS won't/don't translate?

BakoSaint · 10-01-2023, 06:12 PM

I do not believe we should draft a QB in the 1st round. We need to spend as much of the first 5 rounds drafting oline as possible.

We can't afford to move on from Carr in March 2024, that needs to happen in March 2025. So we will have Carr in 2024. No QB can succeed with our oline and offensive coaches. We need to spend our draft resources beefing up the oline and our financial resources cleaning up the cap by cutting other aging players in 2024 so we can afford to move on to cutting Carr in 2025 if he does not improve with a better oline and coaching. So, it would make more sense to draft a QB in 2025.

Now if some amazing QB our new coaches love slips to the 3rd round in 2024 and we project him as a starter down the road, sure, ok. But not a 1st round pick while we owe Carr $50 million or whatever.

Rell&Gold · 10-01-2023, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I do not believe we should draft a QB in the 1st round. We need to spend as much of the first 5 rounds drafting oline as possible.

We can't afford to move on from Carr in March 2024, that needs to happen in March 2025. So we will have Carr in 2024. No QB can succeed with our oline and offensive coaches. We need to spend our draft resources beefing up the oline and our financial resources cleaning up the cap by cutting other aging players in 2024 so we can afford to move on to cutting Carr in 2025 if he does not improve with a better oline and coaching. So, it would make more sense to draft a QB in 2025.

Now if some amazing QB our new coaches love slips to the 3rd round in 2024 and we project him as a starter down the road, sure, ok. But not a 1st round pick while we owe Carr $50 million or whatever.

Well hypothetically speaking if the Saints were to move on from DA and PC DC is gone too . I don't see a new coaching staff trying to build around DC

rezburna · 10-01-2023, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

What offense is Penix running? Justin Herbert was Oregon too he ain't too shabby. Jalen Hurts ran a nice bit of RPO as well A Richardson too, Are saying RPO heavy QBS won't/don't translate?

I’m saying Bo Nix won’t translate. Herbert is the only QB from Oregon that’s actually been good. I saw more than enough of Nix at Auburn. He was horrible. Penix at Indiana was good, he just had three injuries in a row. Bo Nix isn’t anywhere close to the level of Hurts or even Richardson. Those two are far more talented.

BakoSaint · 10-01-2023, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Well hypothetically speaking if the Saints were to move on from DA and PC DC is gone too . I don't see a new coaching staff trying to build around DC

They dont have a choice really. We can restructure contracts to get under the cap but the biggest target to restructure is Carr. If instead, despite Carr’s guaranteed 2024 salary, we cut him and instead accelerate his prorated bonuses hitting as dead cap, we suddenly are an additional $17 million over the cap and have $23 million less to restructure, a swing of $40 million in our cap outlook. That would mean we have to restructure and retain virtually the entire roster besides Carr and we only have enough money left to sign our rookie class and perhaps bring back Mark Ingram as our premier free agent. I think a new coaching staff would rather rebuild by changing over more than one player, and that means moving guys with non guaranteed salaries where we can move more than one. Unless some team would take Carr’s salary, which seems unlikely.

Rell&Gold · 10-01-2023, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m saying Bo Nix won’t translate. Herbert is the only QB from Oregon that’s actually been good. I saw more than enough of Nix at Auburn. He was horrible. Penix at Indiana was good, he just had three injuries in a row. Bo Nix isn’t anywhere close to the level of Hurts or even Richardson. Those two are far more talented.

Oregon base offense is pro style with a mix of RPO and Spread....The reason Jalen Hurts plays as good as he does because of the Oline for one and they didn't put a square peg in a round hole. Nix throwing for damn near 10yards a throw 80% completion and you still referring to when he played at Auburn...you have a clear bias for whatever reason. Bo nix in the right situation and a good oline can definitely translate what are you talking about. Jalen Hurts and the Eagles run ALOT of RPO. Didn't say Penix was bad but it's WASNT the SEC now was it? They are both ij the Pac-12 and both playing some of if the not the best football currently at their positions give credit where credit is due.

Rell&Gold · 10-01-2023, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

They dont have a choice really. We can restructure contracts to get under the cap but the biggest target to restructure is Carr. If instead, despite Carr’s guaranteed 2024 salary, we cut him and instead accelerate his prorated bonuses hitting as dead cap, we suddenly are an additional $17 million over the cap and have $23 million less to restructure, a swing of $40 million in our cap outlook. That would mean we have to restructure and retain virtually the entire roster besides Carr and we only have enough money left to sign our rookie class and perhaps bring back Mark Ingram as our premier free agent. I think a new coaching staff would rather rebuild by changing over more than one player, and that means moving guys with non guaranteed salaries where we can move more than one. Unless some team would take Carr’s salary, which seems unlikely.

You're right, I didn't know they signed him 4 years though it was 2 year deal with an out in the second year

10-01-2023, 04:30 PM	#411
Threaded by rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Bo nix is trash? Lmao agree to disagree. Whatever argument you make for Penix I can make for Bo. I doubt that. Penix suffered injuries in his first three seasons at Indiana. He played well before those injuries. Bo has never played less than 10 games his entire career and he was ass at Auburn. Don’t be fooled by that RPO, quick screen offense Oregon runs. Everybody lights it up out there.
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10-01-2023, 05:26 PM	#412
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread Originally Posted by rezburna I doubt that. Penix suffered injuries in his first three seasons at Indiana. He played well before those injuries. Bo has never played less than 10 games his entire career and he was ass at Auburn. Don’t be fooled by that RPO, quick screen offense Oregon runs. Everybody lights it up out there. Yep. PAC12 = NO DEFENSE

10-01-2023, 05:53 PM	#413
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread We need to cut JW! Carr is a backup at best! Fire Allen and Carmichael! We need to trade MT for a QB and promote someone from the practice squad to take his place! Who can we get as a head coach and OC for the rest of the season! Hell the season is lost anyway with the staff we have! Carr has 2 TD’s and 2 INT’s through four games! That does not look good!! Olave and Saheed need to be fed! We can’t keep running AK and passing to him every down!!!

10-01-2023, 06:03 PM	#414
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread Originally Posted by rezburna I doubt that. Penix suffered injuries in his first three seasons at Indiana. He played well before those injuries. Bo has never played less than 10 games his entire career and he was ass at Auburn. Don’t be fooled by that RPO, quick screen offense Oregon runs. Everybody lights it up out there. What offense is Penix running? Justin Herbert was Oregon too he ain't too shabby. Jalen Hurts ran a nice bit of RPO as well A Richardson too, Are saying RPO heavy QBS won't/don't translate?

10-01-2023, 06:12 PM	#415
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread I do not believe we should draft a QB in the 1st round. We need to spend as much of the first 5 rounds drafting oline as possible. We can't afford to move on from Carr in March 2024, that needs to happen in March 2025. So we will have Carr in 2024. No QB can succeed with our oline and offensive coaches. We need to spend our draft resources beefing up the oline and our financial resources cleaning up the cap by cutting other aging players in 2024 so we can afford to move on to cutting Carr in 2025 if he does not improve with a better oline and coaching. So, it would make more sense to draft a QB in 2025. Now if some amazing QB our new coaches love slips to the 3rd round in 2024 and we project him as a starter down the road, sure, ok. But not a 1st round pick while we owe Carr $50 million or whatever.
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10-01-2023, 06:21 PM	#416
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread Originally Posted by BakoSaint I do not believe we should draft a QB in the 1st round. We need to spend as much of the first 5 rounds drafting oline as possible. We can't afford to move on from Carr in March 2024, that needs to happen in March 2025. So we will have Carr in 2024. No QB can succeed with our oline and offensive coaches. We need to spend our draft resources beefing up the oline and our financial resources cleaning up the cap by cutting other aging players in 2024 so we can afford to move on to cutting Carr in 2025 if he does not improve with a better oline and coaching. So, it would make more sense to draft a QB in 2025. Now if some amazing QB our new coaches love slips to the 3rd round in 2024 and we project him as a starter down the road, sure, ok. But not a 1st round pick while we owe Carr $50 million or whatever. Well hypothetically speaking if the Saints were to move on from DA and PC DC is gone too . I don't see a new coaching staff trying to build around DC

10-01-2023, 06:33 PM	#417
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread Originally Posted by Rell&Gold What offense is Penix running? Justin Herbert was Oregon too he ain't too shabby. Jalen Hurts ran a nice bit of RPO as well A Richardson too, Are saying RPO heavy QBS won't/don't translate? I’m saying Bo Nix won’t translate. Herbert is the only QB from Oregon that’s actually been good. I saw more than enough of Nix at Auburn. He was horrible. Penix at Indiana was good, he just had three injuries in a row. Bo Nix isn’t anywhere close to the level of Hurts or even Richardson. Those two are far more talented.

10-01-2023, 06:45 PM	#418
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Well hypothetically speaking if the Saints were to move on from DA and PC DC is gone too . I don't see a new coaching staff trying to build around DC They dont have a choice really. We can restructure contracts to get under the cap but the biggest target to restructure is Carr. If instead, despite Carr’s guaranteed 2024 salary, we cut him and instead accelerate his prorated bonuses hitting as dead cap, we suddenly are an additional $17 million over the cap and have $23 million less to restructure, a swing of $40 million in our cap outlook. That would mean we have to restructure and retain virtually the entire roster besides Carr and we only have enough money left to sign our rookie class and perhaps bring back Mark Ingram as our premier free agent. I think a new coaching staff would rather rebuild by changing over more than one player, and that means moving guys with non guaranteed salaries where we can move more than one. Unless some team would take Carr’s salary, which seems unlikely.
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10-01-2023, 06:46 PM	#419
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread Originally Posted by rezburna I’m saying Bo Nix won’t translate. Herbert is the only QB from Oregon that’s actually been good. I saw more than enough of Nix at Auburn. He was horrible. Penix at Indiana was good, he just had three injuries in a row. Bo Nix isn’t anywhere close to the level of Hurts or even Richardson. Those two are far more talented. Oregon base offense is pro style with a mix of RPO and Spread....The reason Jalen Hurts plays as good as he does because of the Oline for one and they didn't put a square peg in a round hole. Nix throwing for damn near 10yards a throw 80% completion and you still referring to when he played at Auburn...you have a clear bias for whatever reason. Bo nix in the right situation and a good oline can definitely translate what are you talking about. Jalen Hurts and the Eagles run ALOT of RPO. Didn't say Penix was bad but it's WASNT the SEC now was it? They are both ij the Pac-12 and both playing some of if the not the best football currently at their positions give credit where credit is due.

10-01-2023, 06:48 PM	#420
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Saints vs Bucs Game Day Thread Originally Posted by BakoSaint They dont have a choice really. We can restructure contracts to get under the cap but the biggest target to restructure is Carr. If instead, despite Carr’s guaranteed 2024 salary, we cut him and instead accelerate his prorated bonuses hitting as dead cap, we suddenly are an additional $17 million over the cap and have $23 million less to restructure, a swing of $40 million in our cap outlook. That would mean we have to restructure and retain virtually the entire roster besides Carr and we only have enough money left to sign our rookie class and perhaps bring back Mark Ingram as our premier free agent. I think a new coaching staff would rather rebuild by changing over more than one player, and that means moving guys with non guaranteed salaries where we can move more than one. Unless some team would take Carr’s salary, which seems unlikely. You're right, I didn't know they signed him 4 years though it was 2 year deal with an out in the second year