Time to Hire Gruden
 

Why not? There’s too much talent on this offense for the team to lose like this. Pete ain’t that guy.

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Or Marv Lewis. Not a long term solution but >.500 beats .300 any day. DA is very similar to many of the head coaches Cincy had in the 10 years leading up to Lewis.

Though I think either would be a caretaker, there is much more precedent in the NFL for an above .500 but couldn't go all the way coach to win it all in his second run than for a coach to win a Super Bowl with one team and do it again with another. Lewis would be more hungry.

I like Bienemy as an option next year.

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Hire Dennis Green (we let ‘em off the hook!) from the grave (may peace be upon him).:we’d get better results than what we saw today.

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Marvin Freakin Lewis? Are you kidding me? That would almost be like what the Texans did last year by hiring Lovie Smith.

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Dennis Allen is not even remotely in Marvin Lewis' class. I am not kidding. Sure, Marvin Lewis didn't win the big games in January, but he took a franchise that was in the dirt and consistently got to those games. Dennis Allen isn't fit to wash Marvin Lewis' jock. Dennis Allen is exactly the kind of head coach Marvin Lewis replaced when he turned the Bengals franchise around from a decade in the gutter. We would be lucky to have Marvin Lewis compared to our current coaching situation. With the ridiculous contract we gave Derek Carr and our lousy salary cap situation, top head coaching candidates might not give us the time of day, and if they did, the rebuild that we require might not give them a fair chance. Lewis as a caretaker who would give us an immediate upgrade might make sense. And honestly, he could win. That .520 record in a tough division is a lot like many other coaches who have gone on to be successful after a change of scenery. And if he loses, thats no worse than Allen, and at least we didn't give a guy who already had a sub-.500 record.

Here is the box score from the one game where Marv Lewis and Dennis Allen faced off:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...1211250cin.htm

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Gruden would be great and it would be a middle finger to Badell.

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Agree. It would also make tinfoil hatters like myself think that every penalty called by the refs against the Saints in a game would be due to Goodell trying to help out every team the Saints play.

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Gruden isn’t taking a job become a OC in N.O.

Especially when he’s better than the current HC.

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Just look at the Broncos to see how well that works. Gruden would be OK but I don’t see the players buying what he’s selling. I’m down with Bienemy or Lewis,or Green.

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I’m talking HC. Tell DA to go back to being the DC and like it or GTF out of town.

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Find the next Mike McDaniel.

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I gotcha and agree.

Remember we had a SB-winning coach (Pedersen) and an SB-winning assistant OC (Bienemy) in the building wasting their time with bogus interviews when the organization apparently wanted in-house "safe & consistent" and chose a losing coach in Dennis. Have you seen what Eric has already done with Sam Howell so far?

Saints coaching stinks in all phases on Metairie Dr. I see low energy from players, bad body language, and getting embarrassed by a divisional foe in our own house.

Pete Carmichael is a terrible play-caller. Very little play-action & predictable on 3rd downs.

Getting torched by Baker Mayfield :rolleyes:? Good lord.

IMO we are in trouble.

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Somehow my mind just went to the draft when we got leapfrogged by KC to draft Mahomes. And I'm sad all over again.

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I think Dennis Allen's defense is fine. I think what happens is they stay on the field too long and they get worn out and then start to give up chunk plays. I don't think he is a good head coach though. Carmichael has to go though. He's making everyone here think Carr is bad when he isn't the problem. Carr actually has a pretty good completion percentage. We just don't move the chains, mainly because of the playcalling. You don't send everyone to the endzone when you only need 4 yards. You keep picking up first downs and reset your chances; this establishes a rhythm. Carmichael is either overthinking or underthinking. They gave us the underneath routes for the majority of the game. We never went there though and didn't have routes there. We just had drop-off routes and deep patterns. You attack what the defense gives you and get first downs along the way. Carmichael is also the worst red-zone play-caller I've ever seen.

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I don’t think this team needs to be blown up, but it’s time for some coaching changes beginning with Carmichael. I think this team has plenty of youth and talent and I’m pretty happy with the moves they’ve made to get us to this point as far as the team as a whole is concerned.
I made the comment in the offseason that we should give Pete another chance with a better quarterback and so far we’ve seen nothing. Actually could argue that we’ve regressed. At this point I feel like you’re gonna get the same results with Carr or Winston. If Allen is gonna be stubborn and not make changes on the coaching, then at least shake things up on the field. At this point I’d try running a split back formation with Kamara and Miller as the backs with Taysom under center with a nice blend of pass and rush. That would make things pretty unpredictable and give us a lot of options imo.

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Our regression doesn’t require an argument. This team needs to be blown up, like, last season.

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The coaching staff needs to be blown up, not the team. We chose the direction we were going in once we signed Carr and re-signed all the guys that we did. For the most part, the talent is there. We just need to find the right guys to get the most out of them. Blowing up the team is not feasible.

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I predict that when Carr gets a good play-caller he's going to prove everyone here doubting him wrong.

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Yeah but when?

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You’re right, it doesn’t require and argument, but it doesn’t mean that some still will

We have more talent and suck more. This is all coaching

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I tend to agree. I don’t mind Carr. I really expected more from him so far though. But I expected more from this team as a whole as well.

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He ain’t quite “It”, just like our Head Coach, and y’all know it. You’re just being too kind.

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I disagree. I think Carr could do really well with the right coaches teaching him.

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I'm not sure how much more film study anyone needs to see.

The problem is Pete Carmichael.

How does DCarr go from #1 QBR in play action (2021) to almost last in 2023? Once we get to the red zone (12 trips, 4 tds), we put it in neutral.

There are 2 more teams left to play tonight as we close out week 4, but the Saints are staring at the #32 ranking in the red zone.

Unacceptable.

When you have MT, Olave, Shaheed, AK, Hill, Graham (6'7), DCarr & consistently rank near the bottom or last offensively ... not really sure how this man can keep his job.

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This team is full of players that have proven themselves in this league as good players, some great. All of a sudden they all suck? I'm thinking it ain't the players as much as its the coaching (scheming and play calling).

This team is under-achieving massively. Thats gotta be coaching right?

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We don’t have that. And it’s not looking like it’s about to change any time soon.

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“It’s the cleats”

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This all day long!

[quote=Mr.Riaton;982109]I don’t think this team needs to be blown up, but it’s time for some coaching changes beginning with Carmichael. I think this team has plenty of youth and talent and I’m pretty happy with the moves they’ve made to get us to this point as far as the team as a whole is concerned.

Well said papz!

There is a lot of blame to go around right now.

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[quote=Rugby Saint II;982169]This all day long!

There’s plenty of season left, to spread that around. LMFAO

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I still want Gruden. Watching the Niners demoralize the Cowboys last night with a great offensive playcaller that gets mad at his players when they make mistakes was reminiscent of the Payton years. Gruden would bring that fire back.

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Well, we'll have to table this conversation for another week until after Pete Carmichael forgets about motion, sweeps, and innovative football again. He really struggles with creativity!