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Amazing isn't it about QB Purdy? Our very own Jake Haener should be close to this guy. We won't see him for a while. Brock Purdy didn't play until late in the season for SF. It does take time to assimilate the play book.

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Critical is fine! And you are free to name call here - just be prepared for a challenge. :bng: And it's all in the name of respectful debate.

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If we had their head coach Carr, Winston, and Haener would all be balling. That scheme is beautiful. It opens up so much opportunity.

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Man! First shut out sinc october 30 last year when we beat the Raiders.

* Carl Granderson my hat is off to you! Terrific game. He is growing into a complete player doing great work both against the pass and run.

* I love how bothe Jordan and CG does the jump rush to the outside. if executed correctly it is a b*tch to block because it creates a whole new angle than what you expected.

* Michael Thomas is still doing great work on those tough catches.

* Olave can do better than this game.

* Davis still a heavy hitter. The play he made on the 3rd and short was a thing of beauty.

* I really like our interior DL. We got a solid group there.

* O-line looked better than before but still a lot of room for improvement.

* Kendre Miller, the play where he VIOLENTLY chip-blocked and then caught a short pass and took it 33 yds, just loved it.

*Rushing average needs to improve. A lots of times it lookes like the holes are there but our RBs just don't hit 'em really hard.

* Our D is getting opportunistic. This is a very good thing.

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Not to be a wet blanket but I need to see MUCH more from the coaches before I get excited again.

We routed a terrible Raiders team last year then promptly lost the next 4 of 5 games.

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You can say that every mid to late round QB should be Brady, Purdy, or Cousins etc but the truth is that the vast majority of QBs drafted in these later rounds are not stars. You can't just take a 5th rounder and expect they will be close to Brady because he was a 5th rounder or because there was some vaguely similar biographical element like being stuck behind an entrenched starter most of his college career but having good size and a live arm. Haener is a lottery ticket until he proves otherwise. He could be the next Purdy but there are 20 other failed mid round picks he could be like instead. He could also be like 1998 6th round pick John Dutton of the Miami Dolphins who was drafted in hopes of being a successor to Dan Marino but instead became a 2x Arena Bowl champion and later the fictional governor of Montana. So it is just as likely that Jake Haener will go on to be a fictional livestock commissioner n cable TV as that he will be the next Brock Purdy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dutton_(quarterback))

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Peaked a little on yesterday, checked out the Texans/Atlanta game.

Deridder is a decent (only his 9th start) QB with weapons (London, Algiers & Pitts).
Bijon is already that dude. Biggest takeaway is that he doesn't play scared. That O line gave him time.

Their defense is still struggling but ok.

They had to pull out the bag of tricks to beat a young, pesky Texans (our next opponent).

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I'll provide an example.

PENALTIES & FALSE STARTS. At the PRE SNAP. 5 WEEKS into the season, it's still happening.

That's discipline. Coaching.

Sorry but Allen and Carmichael aren't off the hook with me beating a non contender on yesterday. Clean up that pre snap stuff immediately.

Beating the more difficult teams/contenders won't be this easy with those bone headed penalties.

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Interestingly enough, the Saints have only three more total accepted penalties than does the 49er's after five games (36 - 33). Both teams have the same number of pre-snap penalties after the same five games with 11.

The Eagles have one more pre-snap penalty than does the Saints and the 49er's with 12 for the season. Dallas is sitting at 16 pre-snap penalties to date for 2023.

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Fun game to attend. Great weather. Gave away some gumbo to other Who Dats at the tailgate before the game.

Good performance by the Team. I’ll say Good not great for a couple reasons.

Had a lot of penalties again. Earlier in the season we seemed like we may have overcome those penalty problems;especially pre snap penalties. It worked though because..

That Pats team sucked yesterday. LSU would have likely beaten them. I could feel it in the parking lot 2 hours before the game. A few drunks were yelling loud, but 70 percent of the fans seemed prepared to lose before the game started. The other 30% were either Saints fans or those drunk dudes.

Stadium was pretty quiet;especially after our first TD. They shanked punts. They missed a FG. Obviously Jones couldn’t hit any open WRs. Run game was stuffed. That team and that stadium had the wind knocked out of it before halftime. I kept telling my friend John, who took me and all the Pats fans around me that the Saints were going to let them back in the game. I told him that we would make a mistake through a turnover or special teams to let the Pats back in. I expected it to happen, but we wouldn’t give it away. Good thing!

My dad used to say that a team is never really as good as they look when they are winning and never really as bad as they look when they are losing. The last two weeks of Saints games was proof of that to me.

I tried to post a few pics but it says I had no security token whatever that means.

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The good: We did what a good team would do to a weak opponent (34-0)
The bad: We still had way too many penalties
The ugly: All the pessimism after a 34-0 ass whoopin'.

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[quote=hitta;982790]I think the only thing keeping this team from its Superbowl aspirations is bad HCing and horrible playcalling. Dennis Allen does a great job with the defense, but he's not a head coach. He's too in his head, overthinks things, plays probabilities, etc. Being a head coach requires you to have a pulse on the team, which he lacks completely. The playcalling is still horrible regardless of whether it was effective today. Carr can throw the football though, and hopefully, some people will get off his back a bit.[/QUOTE

The announcers were really ragging on the play calling yesterday. it was good enough to put up points but there were a lot more available that we left out there.

Haener is on suspension but I imagine he's studying really hard and taking notes to talk about with the coaches when he's back.

There are no repercussions for repeating the same mistakes again and again. That's on coaches to fix. If thy can't fix it then it's time to look at other options for inspiration besides Alvin Kamara.

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Anyone paying attention to this Howden cat?

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+5

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Haener has been back. I discovered suspended players can actually return to the team facilities, but just aren't allowed to practice or attend games.

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This makes sense since all of the teams that involve a lot of motion in their offenses are getting a greater number of pre-snap penalties. It comes with the territory.

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Watch and listen.

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This line will get better and better every week.

McCoy being the real McCoy.

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I observed that this nice young man sitting next to me enjoyed the game as much as I did!

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Just reiterating what I said before. mapcow has made it clear that certain players are nonredeemable in his eyes and that they need to be gone. Production doesn't matter. If MT13 caught 160 balls for 2000 yards and 20 TD's this year he would still be the the "Prima donna that can't stay on the field and isn't a team player."

So, don't bother with it. Note that mapcow even liked my post where I stated exactly this.

SFIAH

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I think we have the talent to beat all of those teams, it's going to come down to execution and coaching. The last thing we want though is to end up playing the Niners and Philly in the same playoffs.

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I haven't read a lot of "pessimism" after the Pats win.

More like "cautious optimism"

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I think there are some teams that are as good as they are gonna get (Philly, 49ers, KC etc).

I think we're one of those ascending teams that will get better as the season progresses. Our O-line looks better and better each week, which should directly affect the offenses output.

The problem is Atlanta and Tampa also look like ascending teams.

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When Dennis and Pete can defeat a good team, I”ll believe it.

In the past two seasons, they’ve only beaten a 9-8 Seahag team and
Hurts/Eagles.

Niners are levels above the Saints. They play like those old 80s/90s teams now with no weaknesses. Dallas is a solid squad that got destroyed.

Saints just pimped slapped a terrible Pats squad & now some think we can hang with the Chiefs, Niners or Philly?

Slow down brother :bng:.

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Now this here is some pretty pessimistic "cautious optimism".

:D

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yyyaaawwwnnn

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should have cut bait 3 years ago. :beatnik:

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Like you incorrectly swore we were going to 3 years ago and every year since?

No wonder you are so bitter being so terribly wrong all of this time. It must eat away at you after all of the time and energy you've given this campaign of hate toward Thomas. One would almost feel sorry for you. Not quite, but almost.

:roflmao:

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Man... you are dumb. No hate, just reality. Thomas has not done squat for this Team since he got a bo bo on his toe ... :beatnik:

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You aren't getting my point. I think we can defeat them, I never said we were better than them. We are on the rise and in the playoffs it comes down to one game at a time. By the time we get to the playoffs, we could be much better. Right now it'd take one hell of a performance to beat either team, which is exactly why the prospect of playing both of them terrifies me. Right now we may be able to pull a game out of our ass. I'm banking on us getting better though and evening the odds some more.

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Map I wouldn't even waste my time. Year after year he gets into middle school conversations with members on this board.

A pattern of repeated behavior. Narcissistic personality disorder.

George (Saintfan) warned us.

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Brother, this team needs to worry about the next opponent ... the Texans.

Then focus on the division (we are 3rd atm) ... you know, the teams like Atlanta or Bucs. Some have already forgotten we were flat out embarassed by Baker Mayfield :rolleyes: in the dome 2 weekends ago.

Maybe you missed my point ... ONE GAME AT A TIME.

We aren't good enough to take coach Don Shows (West Monroe High school legend) approach by circling teams off before the match up.

But carry on ...

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Noted!

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That is an interesting question, I had to rationalize my answer with my actions and not my feelings.

On the surface, I did not draft MT this year in fantasy because he has no consistency. So for same reasons I find "Power Rankings" before the start of a season absurd and useless, performance last year doesn't define next year.

Thinking abut it deeper, the MT question is not just about MT is it? QB accuracy and play calling weigh heavily into that equation and what we have doesn't move the needle into a favorable direction for me.