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Should be a good matchup for our defense. Stroud looks really good and Collins/Dell can be explosive. I like what they are doing over there on both sides of the ball.

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Payton might wish he had taken the Houston job.....

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5 weeks in, CJ Stroud has yet to throw a pick.

Impressive. Especially for a rookie.

I'm just glad he's in the AFC and not playing for Carolina.

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He was not even considered...

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This is true.

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Expect to see a convincing win...convincingly. :beatnik:

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This should be a close game. If we win close like the Falcons did we are in the hunt in our weak division though still behind the Bucs due to the head to head blowout. If we lose close, not much different, just one game behind in said hunt, but we are not going anywhere in the playoffs for sure. If we win a big blowout that is impressive and maybe we can entertain competing with second tier teams like the Lions, Cowboys, Bills, or Ravens, not on their level yet, but competing. If we lose a big blowout then we have been blown out by the Bucs and lost to two teams Atlanta beat and we should look at trading players ahead of the deadline and maybe bring in Gruden or Leftwich as OC.

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I think where your thinking may go left is that the outcome of a single game is determinant of how the season is going to go. The 2023 Saints are a roller coaster of inconsistency with each game being an individual matchup that really cannot be compared to either other Saints games or other teams games against the same team.

We just need Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde to be Dr. Jekyll all the time. And we have not seen that yet.

So, look to consistency. Can the team do the following consistently:

1. Run the ball and stop the run.
2. Move the ball without penalties, bonehead throws and drops.
3. Score TDs in the red zone.
4. Take the ball away and not give the ball away.
5. Grupe makes the kicks he need to make and Headley punts consistently.
6. Do all of the above for 4 quarters regardless of the competition.

When they do this, they win. When they don't, they lose. For example they did this for 3 quarters against Green Bay, then dropped the rope. They did 0 of these against the Buccs.

But right now they can't both be going to SuperBowl and going in the toilet at the same time. Just need to see if they can to the above consistently. We saw it for 1 game. Let's just see if they can extend it to 2.

SFIAH

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Best thing Carolina has done for us was picking Bryce over CJ

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I told y’all he was the one.

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Stroud picks up his first pick this Sunday.

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Is anyone seeing this information from reliable sources?

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2023...-allen-record/

Could the Saints make a change at left tackle ahead of Week 6 Texans game?

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Me too

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This is very important. The week of the TB game Carr only practiced once and that was limited. That's why 16 of his passes went to Kamara down close. Last week while he was still limited he practiced every day and the difference was obvious. This week ...

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Force them to throw it and I have confidence in those DB's to shut it down.

These guys are conditioned to swarm tackle. Spread them out on offense and take the small chunks they give you to score.

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Rookie QB. Team is on the road for a second week after a big win. I don’t have a warm fuzzy about this game. Then again, I haven’t had a warm fuzzy about the Saints in a while. Point is Mayfield tore us up, and there were plays for the Pats to make, but Jones sucks. Stroud doesn’t suck.

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I posted the above right before the Carolina game. We can now update those numbers to "Dennis Allen led defenses are 10-2 against rookie QB's facing the Saints. And the Saints were something like 16-6 since 2006 when facing rookie QB's."

We can now look at facing rookie QB's as a positive instead of a negative. I know. It's a hard habit to overcome as fans, but it's been almost 20 years since we had that rookie QB jinx going on. It just goes to show how old we are.

:D

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I like that that we are playing well on the road after pitching a shutout last week. The team should be highly motivated internally this week to show that last week wasn't a fluke.

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Carr isn't much better than Jones he's just in a better situation.

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You really think Carr isn’t much better than Jones?

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I was thinking the same thing BS. I don't think there's any metric where they're even close! :doh:

Sometimes, you just gotta let some folks go on and talk their crazy talk.

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Yeah, Carr was in a much, much worse situation while with the Raiders. He never had a defense better than 20th in the league and most years it was in the bottom five. Many of his career numbers compare favorably to some of best passers in NFL history. He current sets 30th in total passing yards and can easily end this season around #25.

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It feels like we are going to rack up a lot of wins now. Our Defense is very good and the Offense seems to be gelling with the O line beginning to click.

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Peat being Peat.

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Peat is repeating his injury history again......

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Perhaps Carr was in a worse situation with the Raiders but we need to look at all sides of the context. With the Saints, Carr joined a team with a head coach who has one of the lowest winning percentages in history among coaches with a similar amount of experience. This is also the same coach who constructed the defense of the Raiders that Carr started his career with. DA had the opportunity to build the Raiders defense for two years before he drafted Carr, then Carr started his career with DA's defense, then DA got fired the early part of Carr's career he played with the defense DA built. It is one thing to have an inexperienced rookie coach who represents a roll of the dice and may prove great or awful, but it is another to join a team that is rolling with a coach who has proved awful for a long duration and having to hope for a miraculous turn around. I would argue that Carr has worse head coaching now than he had with the Raiders, where Jon Gruden was a formed former bowl winner and Jack Del Rio was a solid mid-tier head coach with a number of winning seasons under his belt, vs DA whose best season as a head coach was 7 wins. One could argue that the Saints better defense is offset by their worse head coaching and Carr is in no better a situation here.

Also, though Carr's early career was statistically impressive in some respects, there is no guarantee that he remains the same QB until age 40 or so like Brady, Brees, Manning, and Favre who were to some degree an anomalous streak of durable QBs when looking at league history. Plenty of QB's fade early in their 30's like Wilson, McNabb, Culpepper, Bledsoe, Brooks, Flacco, Sanchez, Bulger, Luck, Dalton, etc.

While the Raiders lacked a good defense, they had a lot of weapons on offense. If what they were missing was defense, they could have traded for a defensive star instead of Davante Adams, but they thought Carr needed even more help on offense and positioned him to put up massive numbers to make up for a weak defense. Instead with the addition of Adams and a career year from Jacobs at RB, Carr had an off year. When we was replaced by Jared Stidham at QB, the Raiders saw zero drop off, in fact Stidham was statistically a little better. There could be the concern that much like Matt Ryan, Derek Carr was propped up by a Raiders franchise that continually bet on him to be their golden boy and then spent big on offense at the expense of defense to drive the statistics that would justify their bet. The Raiders brought in offensive minded coaches, spent big on offense, all to make Carr look great, knowing this was a formula where a superb offense would likely have to pick up the slack for a mediocre defense, which is a formula that many teams have relied on in the past. But instead they got a pretty good and look at these stats offense that wasn't quite great enough to make up for their struggling defense. A reasonable person might conclude that Carr is just pretty good, not great, and he is getting older. Now he is saddled with a defensive minded head coach who can't win and an offense that has weapons on paper but lacks coaching and blocking to use them. I am just not sure thats an amazingly better situation.

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Peat is running out of body parts to injure.

Surprised he hasn't strained a glute sitting on the bench.

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Carr's entire tenure with the Raiders was controlled by arguably the most dysfunctional ownership and management in the entire NFL. Anything is better than that.