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When I look for reasons on why we are losing in the trenches and in games, I find a stat line like this:

"The Saints have been whistled for a league-high 55 penalties (12 declined) for a league-high 406 yards. They lead the NFL in offensive holding (18) & defensive pass interference (9) penalties. Their opponents 16 first downs by penalty is tied for second highest in the leage".

Allen always want to get on that podium and talk about players need to do this or that but he needs to take a hard look in the mirror, coaching assistants as well.

IIRC the Saints were top 5 in penalties @ the conclusion of pre season.

This 2023 club has ZERO discipline. Those penalties are all on the coaches.

It's a short week coming off a L & we're facing a real playoff contending team (Jacksonville) on Thursday that can put up points.

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WE NEED A NEW HEAD COACH. A real one.

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Forgot to quote the source on that penalty stat in post #41 - Underhill

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The way I see this right now is Derek Carr is a terrible QB and needs to be gone. Bench him now and release him after the season, bite the bullet on the salary cap issues. His red zone woes and overall questionable decision making have followed him from the Raiders, he will have good games here and there, but that's about it. If there is any way to trade Carr now I say do it.

And if anyone thinks Winston is a better choice, think again, he is worse. Trade him too if the opportunity presents itself, it is already assumed he won't be back with the team next year anyway.

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That says a lot, doesn't it?

$100 million guaranteed contract ... I guess we couldn't do a prove it deal !?!

Brace yourselves, it's going to be a bumpy road.

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I won’t try to defend DCarr here but it’s hard to
complete passes when you’re being pressured over 50% of your
drop back passes.

The entire oline is not holding up.

But yeah Carr is still holding on to the ball too long & guys are still
running closely into each other on routes.

Miscommunication should have been cleaned up weeks ago.

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Applying the principle of Occums Razor to the Saints current offensive performance, the simplest explanation is the one constant over the last 2 seasons. Players have changed but the 2 constant has been the person responsible for the offensive game planning and play calling and the head coach who doubled down on that person after last season.


Allen staked his future and the team future on Carmichael leading the offense. Just a fan’s opinion but from what I see PC could use all the motion and play action in his play book, but the lack of a cohesive offensive scheme that attacks the defense with a coordinated plan of attack putting players in position to win matchups and setup defenses later in the game. Hit one shot play the run 5 straight times .. that’s not the ticket.

Players not running the right route based on coverage 6 weeks into the season … coaching. If the player has been coached up during install and is still making these mistakes they should have been bench by now.

What we hear coming from the players post game comments are sanitized for public consumption. My guess behind closed doors the veterans are trying to hold the younger players and team together but they all know the root cause.

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I knew we'd lose the second Baun fumbled that pick right back to them. It's typical Saints BS.

Offense shows NE game was a fluke. Grupe missing the shortest kick, any team has had this season.

Olave jogging through routes until the 2nd half, not looking for the ball on a deep route.

This Saints team stinks. An absolute bore-fest to watch when it's just Death by ineptitude.

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All of what you suggest, is assuming that we have solid ownership, management and coaching. We don’t.

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I know this is going to be a very unpopular statement, but it may be time to seriously consider putting Olave on the trading block. I know this is a very talented number 1 type of receiver, but we are now seeing a pattern of unacceptable behavior over the past few weeks. These type of issues normally do not improve over time.

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Nope, that alone will not fix everything. Coaching staff and front office isn't getting it done for sure. If it doesn't get better we will see what type of ownership the Saints have, meaning will she have the guts to fire the entire front office and coaching staff or does she leave it alone.

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Honestly, Shaheed is better than him anyway and MT never gives up.

Olave's body language and demeanor is frustrating to watch.

We know you don't like losing Chris, but imagine being a fan, who has no power to change the outcome, still using what's left of their measly paycheck, to watch you give 40% effort every play.

AT Perry is waiting on the sideline every game, see if he has anything!

Why we've signed all these TE's, including the 6'7 Jimmy Graham and he never gets used in the redzone is peak ineptitude.

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She leaves it alone. Watch. We’re in trouble.

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I hope that Gayle Benson sits down with Mickey Loomis and has a heartfelt discussion on how to fix the team. If not.....rinse and repeat!

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Quick observation on “over reaction” Monday 🫣 ….

As of today, Carolina Panthers HC Frank Reich ceding play calling duties to
OC Thomas Brown effective immediately.

He identified a problem (offense is lethargic) & made a change to hopefully improve next week.

Why is that so hard (demote/fire Pete) for Dennis Allen to understand?

Better stop the bleeding NOW before it’s too late.

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The fact that nothing has been done at this point is downright astounding. I’m not even expecting a full on all around change, just something. Give Curry a go at it. If there are players not pulling their weight then bench em and give the hungry backups a shot. If Carr is struggling try Winston again, or hell, try the rookie out with the starters to see what he has….something, anything is better than this stale ass sh*t.
Personally I’d start with demoting PC and giving it over to R Curry and benching any player who is not pulling their weight in any phase of the game.

Like a few have said…way too much talent on this offense to have this result

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Grain of salt... I read that he was yelling at Pete about receivers running the wrong routes.

That would explain Allen's comment about execution.

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Maybe the route PC called on 3 and 1 at our 30 yard line was for all the receivers to run go routes straight for the endzone and not even turn and look for the ball until they get there. Maybe one of the receivers 'ran the wrong route' by running to the first down marker and then turning around and looking to get open in space.

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This is what I thought I saw as well. It did look like the receiver ran the wrong route and I thought that was pretty evident when it happened.

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A good film review of offensive play calling.

https://youtu.be/oBMpfJnJNy0?si=lFOYDdZcjg3h-AD-

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So is TJ saying DCarr isn’t moving the needle even though he
has more weapons than Dalton?

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It's not good.
Hoping it all gets turned around for sure.

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Yikes 😳 !

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TBH Dizzle I felt like that since last year, about Rasheed being better than Olave the difference is they spent a 1st ROUND pick on one guy.

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I'll caveat that statement on Olave by questioning the severity of his toe injury (listed on the past several weeks of the injury report). If this dude is running routes on a lower grade turf toe injury, that's a knock on coaches allowing it! I'd like to think that his 'body language' just may be him trying to play through an injury as opposed to just giving up!

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Fans unite. Calling for a strike against the team for Thusday night football. Soon to be 3-4.

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We'll be in the stands with the other devoted fans just like every other home game and soon to be 4-3!

Who Dat!

:bng:

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might be by yo self.... :rofl: :beatnik:

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ZERO TD's :beatnik: ....and the Saints lost. yeah baby!

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FACT.

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I would be happier with those numbers, IF the Saints had won, as they should have. :beatnik:

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How can we suck in the red zone when we have Kamara, Taysom, Graham, Thomas, Johnson and Morreaux (SP?)?

We should be red zone juggernauts.

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Kamara was suspended for half the games and Johnson has been injured. As for the rest, Moreau finally got one Sunday. The others just haven't been targeted down there either via pass or run. At least not in any creative manner.

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Translation: We need a new Head Coach.

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I just noticed something while looking at the league results this past week. Thirty of the 32 teams played. Eighteen of those 30 teams failed to scored 20 points in their games. That 60% of the league not reaching 20 points. Five more only scored 20 points. That means 23 of 30 teams scored less than 21 points. That's 76.7% not reaching 21 points!

This rash of injuries to offensive linemen across the league seems to be having a heavy toll.