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Saints lose another they should have had. Yes it was close and refs aided the Texans way too much. Still, the Saints had a chance to do it and didn't come through.

Defense did enough to win this game. And again the offense with these weapons didn't come through. DC4 short arms a throw that would have made a difference. Why did we sign DC4 again? It's looking more and more that the Raiders were justified in letting him go. We don't need another QB that holds the ball too long. It's beyond time for some fresh blood at QB, with a young fresh arm, and a young fresh quick mind. No NFL team's OL is good enough to pass protect for long enough to allow slow reading QBs to take their sweet time making reads. We're going to see more and more blitz packages since the rest of the league now knows DC4 is a little slow and can't throw long for Sheed. With a Brees or Brady equivalent, we win this game going away, even with our crappy OL.

Might as well hope for a coaching change as some have already advocated for here. We've seen enough of not enough improvement.

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It’s time to start FIRING coaches.

I warned y’all about Pete C. Still can’t put up points.

The Saints are simply not a very good team.

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Enough history with this HC and OC to know they are not part of any solution short of their dismissal.

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DA's Stubbornness and live by the sword, die by the sword is shining like a old vintage beer can you find while out fishing.

Mickey knows best...
Gtfooh

Carmichael is a 58 year old playing Madden.

Maddening😤

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I think that's an insult to Madden. He is playing Tecmo or Blitz.

I think it's fair to say that the folks in the Saints front office and coaching staff really have no idea about whats really going on and the knowledge and attention to detail on this and other internet forums would absolutely blow them away. This sounds like something sarcastic but I mean it literally. I think there are 12 year olds on Reddit who know more than anyone in that building.

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Handicapped by using a well worn out S.Payton philosophy.

Difference is.. Sean wouldn't have lost This game.

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As I stated prior, stellar performance in displaying how to lose. Probably due to the hangover from the win against a subpar opponent last week, uh… no. anyway, way to go Saints!

Critic:
Jag 5 catches 45 yards 0 TD
Thug <100 yards rushing 0 TD

Fantastic!! Maybe next week. :beatnik:

but, at least i am optimistic.

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All our problems start at the top of the food chain with the decision makers.

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We get what we deserve with DA as Head Coach.
We get what we deserve with Pete Carmichael as playcaller.
Really tired of the Sean Payton retreads.
Wish we would fully flush the toilet, but we insist on letting a few turds float around.

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Worst O-line since the Ditka years. Can't run, can't pass, suck on 3rd downs.

We are the biggest underachieving team in the NFL.

Have we even played a team over .500 yet?

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What would Tom Benson do?

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Assuming anything about DC4 after 6 games with one of the worst coaching staff I've ever seen is not wise.

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Injuries have once again decimated the offensive line. We started today's game with only three of five starting linemen in place. We almost immediately lost another one and were down to another makeshift line. Then we lose Ramcyzk kicking Ruiz out to right tackle with Garcia and Saldiveri manning the two guard slots. Any chance at grinding out anything in the second half went down the tubes.

Of course, the two missed FG's didn't help the cause. It's going to be difficult to win the final eleven games, but I'm figuring we'll work it out and still get that #1 seed.

;)

:bng:

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Given what was left of the offensive line I thought Carr did well. He was pressured virtually every drop and still managed over 350 yards.

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Carr's $30 million 2024 salary is fully guaranteed. Although we could cut him and get under the salary cap to take the cap hit sooner and avoid his 2024 $10 million roster bonus becoming guaranteed in March, the move would virtually paralyze us from making any other moves to upgrade or rebuild. Given these circumstances, Carr will presumably go into 2024 as the starting QB. We owe it to him to bring in a new coaching staff and draft oline in every round to give him a chance.

Also Grupe was behind the same lousy oline as Carr.

Also Ramczyk is becoming a very old creaky young man. Its not great that we are restructuring his contract every year to create a giant dead cap hit when he is done. We should leave his contract as it is and pay his salary so that the dead cap will reduce in future years and if it becomes time to move on we can or if it becomes time to negotiate a salary reduction we have leverage.

I think the percentage of the oline that was healthy today is higher than the percentage of grey matter in PC and Marrone's brains that still works. Coaching is a problem with oline no matter who is healthy. Even if they are all healthy we are still pretty well garbage on oline unless we are playing the Pats.

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Thos oline was bad when healthy, thos oline was bad last year, and the year before that. Carr isn't the answer but we're stuck with the DA's decision. Defense had their mistakes but they are the only reason we're even in any of these games. PC, we all know what's up with that. I had feelings we were going to lose this game. Saints have a pattern when it comes to losing the packers game revealed all we needed to know then the Buccaneers confirmed it. NE was a facade and dream or nightmare tbh.

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I swear, you'd somehow twist the Hamas invasion of Israel to be the fault of Saints cap management.

:rolleyes:

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I saw one play late on a replay with Carr making adjustments at the line and Saldiveri looking back over his left shoulder from right guard mouthing, "What?" It's bad enough starting a game at 60% on the line, but then losing two more during the game ... unreal. These backups never get a chance working with the first's and Carr.

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I am not sure my post even criticized the Saints cap management, although it is lousy. I was just stating facts. Carr's contract makes it very hard to move on this year so we have to try something different that includes him next year. Thats a fact. If there is a team in the league with a ton of cap space that could afford to get out of Carr's contract this offseason its not us, it would involve massive salary cap ramifications, its not really an option. Fact. Also, Ram is having injuries and needing frequent rest. If we restructure his salary this offseason we set ourselves up for a $40 million dead cap his if we had to move on in 2025. The way things are going, its not at all clear we will want Ram under his current contract in 2025. Some tackles, like Kyle Turley for example, are not the type that all have long careers. All these things are facts.

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Hers a fact: We’re in for some serious SUCKAGE.

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Same ol' same ol'... Failing to score TD's in the Red Zone. Failing to put pressure on the opposing QB. Failing to move the sticks on 3rd down. Failing to call crossing routes to a WIDE OPEN center field in favor of 4 receivers running deep routes to get an easy 1st down. Failing to use weapons like Olave, Kamara, Thomas, Shaheed, and even Miller to get positive yardage on pedestrian plays.

Failure after Failure after Failure....

The one thing they have done consistently? Make bad and mediocre teams look good! By all counts, this team should be at least 5-1!

At the risk of sounding like a Nega-Saint, I've seen enough from this coaching staff. This team needs an enema!!!:brood:

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It hit us Nega Saints like a ton of bricks LAST SEASON. Nobody listened…
And here we are…

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I did Sinner. I was on board with ya.

Dennis could send a better message if he took away the
play calling duties from Pete. Now.

He’s holding this offense back.

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DA's defense is pretty solid. But that offense is... well, OFFENSIVE! Pull PC NOW!

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The Jags (our next opponent) averages about 23 ppg so far.

Nothing I’ve seen thus far from our offense makes me believe that
the Saints can keep up (game calling).

Kinda had a feeling we were in trouble when Taysom was
our leading pass catcher @ the half.

I think it was 76’ who posted it last week after the Patriots win that he
has “guarded optimism” about this team.

It’s still hard to believe we have so many playmakers yet we can’t seem to score more than 13 points a game.

Not to mention the high number of draft picks on the Oline.

Are all these players bad? I don’t believe so.

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There's a video on Twitter after the failed 4th down at the end of the game.

Carr comes off and he's literally yelling at Pete C. Deservedly so.

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Here it is. Petey is a cuck.

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Dayum, Carr was pissed freakin' off at somebody.

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If that isn't the sign that Pete and DA need to go then I don't know what is.

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.... seasoned Coach, Seasoned QB, seasoned rb, seasoned receivers, seasoned defense ..... loses to a rookie coach, rookie qb, and i believe an opposing team that does not match up well to the saints. time for a change, ya think..... :beatnik:

As a fan, i expect better!

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Maybe Pete C plays too much Madden on his day(s) off 🤷🏼.

Not that it matters but the Bucs, Falcons & Panthers lost today.

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We don’t need Players yelling at Coaches. We need Coaches who will yell at our Players. We need new Coaches.

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Good take.

I wonder who AK was "calling out" without calling them out?

Penning? Or possibly Chris Olave? I will say his body language has been suspect as of late.

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-2nd self inflicted loss of the season.
-Penning is terrible. The tripping penalty wasn't his first trip attempt of the game. He has the size and and the ability. He doesn't have the desire or conviction.
-The OL is over matched every week because of the scheme. The ball has to come out quickly on most plays.
-Every route Thomas runs needs to be an option route. If they set deep on him, slant or curl. If they set up inside, go out. If they set up outside he needs to go in. All within in the 4 to 10 yard range. If a legit #1 CB is on him, he's not the first option.
-The TE has to be involved in the same patterns. FM and Hill had some success at that today.
-It's not a crime to get the ball in Olave's and Shaheed's hands the same way. Everything they do doesn't HAVE to be deep. Just get it in their hands.
-Grupe has had a direct impact in both of the Saints bad losses.
-There's WAY too much going on with Carr at the line of scrimmage. Things have to be simplified. Get the ball out and in the hands of your playmaker.
-Granderson is a beast. Ability and effort.
-Jordan is playing his butt off.
-The games before the bye are winable.

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