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rezburna 10-20-2023 01:23 PM

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I had seats in the end zone. I was right there in the third row when Thomas scored, Kamara jumped in the stands, and Moreau dropped the TD. It allowed me to see Carr from the perspective of a defensive player. He processes slowly. He stares things down. There was plenty of time for me to read his eyes and figure out exactly what he wanted to do. Playcalling is atrocious, but he’s a major issue as well. I’d be fine just rolling with Jameis, Hill, or Haener and eating the dead cap to end the experiment as we fire our coaches and go in a brand new direction next year.

leilung 10-20-2023 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 984123)
I had seats in the end zone. I was right there in the third row when Thomas scored, Kamara jumped in the stands, and Moreau dropped the TD. It allowed me to see Carr from the perspective of a defensive player. He processes slowly. He stares things down. There was plenty of time for me to read his eyes and figure out exactly what he wanted to do. Playcalling is atrocious, but he’s a major issue as well. I’d be fine just rolling with Jameis, Hill, or Haener and eating the dead cap to end the experiment as we fire our coaches and go in a brand new direction next year.

I agree with your assessment. Sadly, we are not going to see any major changes until we are mathematically eliminated from winning the NFC South!

Carr is still acting like he's in a Raider uniform and has ZERO confidence in throwing his guys open... not to mention failing to see open receivers or have his guys alter their route running to take advantage of soft center field coverage.

Hope they try to give Curry a chance with the headset. Maybe the OC needs to be in the booth so they can see the field better. I'm clutching at straws, but changing something just might make a difference.

Sinner 10-20-2023 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 984123)
I had seats in the end zone. I was right there in the third row when Thomas scored, Kamara jumped in the stands, and Moreau dropped the TD. It allowed me to see Carr from the perspective of a defensive player. He processes slowly. He stares things down. There was plenty of time for me to read his eyes and figure out exactly what he wanted to do. Playcalling is atrocious, but he’s a major issue as well. I’d be fine just rolling with Jameis, Hill, or Haener and eating the dead cap to end the experiment as we fire our coaches and go in a brand new direction next year.

That’s it right there^^^

Halo 10-20-2023 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 984123)
I had seats in the end zone. I was right there in the third row when Thomas scored, Kamara jumped in the stands, and Moreau dropped the TD. It allowed me to see Carr from the perspective of a defensive player. He processes slowly. He stares things down. There was plenty of time for me to read his eyes and figure out exactly what he wanted to do. Playcalling is atrocious, but he’s a major issue as well. I’d be fine just rolling with Jameis, Hill, or Haener and eating the dead cap to end the experiment as we fire our coaches and go in a brand new direction next year.

I saw what you were talking about with Carr and hesitation/slow decision making. It happened before my eyes again last night on the 1st quarter red zone trip when Carr tried to lob it to the back of the end zone to Shaheed. Shaheed was open immediately for a quick TD, but Carr just watched him without throwing. Shaheed went left, the right to the back of the end zone but the defender got there.

The Playcalling MAY not be horrible. If you look at the game differently, plays are exactly the same - the difference is those plays were designed for Drew Brees. Brees had one of the fastest releases I have ever seen. During his last season, with 11 broken ribs, or whatever - it was crazy - Brees still had a quick release, but his arm was weaker because he was half dead.

The problem is this offense is geared toward Brees' unique style. Put a younger Brees in the cockpit, and that offense probably hums.

That's Carmichael's problem, as well as the organization - they can't move on from Brees. Bringing in QB's isn't going to cut it. Only Mahomes and maybe 1 other QB has the read and react time Brees has.

dizzle88 10-20-2023 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 984134)
I saw what you were talking about with Carr and hesitation/slow decision making. It happened before my eyes again last night on the 1st quarter red zone trip when Carr tried to lob it to the back of the end zone to Shaheed. Shaheed was open immediately for a quick TD, but Carr just watched him without throwing. Shaheed went left, the right to the back of the end zone but the defender got there.

The Playcalling MAY not be horrible. If you look at the game differently, plays are exactly the same - the difference is those plays were designed for Drew Brees. Brees had one of the fastest releases I have ever seen. During his last season, with 11 broken ribs, or whatever - it was crazy - Brees still had a quick release, but his arm was weaker because he was half dead.

The problem is this offense is geared toward Brees' unique style. Put a younger Brees in the cockpit, and that offense probably hums.

That's Carmichael's problem, as well as the organization - they can't move on from Brees. Bringing in QB's isn't going to cut it. Only Mahomes and maybe 1 other QB has the read and react time Brees has.

It's like Carr has in his head where the ball is going pre-snap, but it's always the wrong place.

He checked down to Kamara insanely quick, when he had Olave coming open on the seam for a 50 yard TD on another play.

The one you referenced really annoyed me, because he did the same thing early in the game when Moreau got lit up.

Moreau ran a little button hook on the goal line, the ball should be fired into his gut the second he makes his break. Carr stands there and watches, 2 defenders converge, he still throws the pass and Moreau tips it and gets destroyed.

They are making it so much more difficult than it needs to be down in the redzone. Carr is rattling himself and running into pressure and then throwing bad passes

neugey 10-20-2023 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 984134)
During his last season, with 11 broken ribs, or whatever - it was crazy - Brees still had a quick release, but his arm was weaker because he was half dead.


Lawrence's release was noticeably quicker than Carr's as well as the decision making. Having a quick release is so important in the pros. Aaron Rodgers' release speed is superb - probably the best in the game if he wasn't hurt.

SmashMouth 10-20-2023 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 984123)
I had seats in the end zone. I was right there in the third row when Thomas scored, Kamara jumped in the stands, and Moreau dropped the TD. It allowed me to see Carr from the perspective of a defensive player. He processes slowly. He stares things down. There was plenty of time for me to read his eyes and figure out exactly what he wanted to do. Playcalling is atrocious, but he’s a major issue as well. I’d be fine just rolling with Jameis, Hill, or Haener and eating the dead cap to end the experiment as we fire our coaches and go in a brand new direction next year.

I agree with you and have been seeing the same thing for a while, in case nobody could tell.

We gunna hafta wait until the end of the year. But I'm down for hiring Bienemy! We need new blood BAD.

SmashMouth 10-20-2023 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 984136)
Lawrence's release was noticeably quicker than Carr's as well as the decision making. Having a quick release is so important in the pros. Aaron Rodgers' release speed is superb - probably the best in the game if he wasn't hurt.

Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ?

rezburna 10-20-2023 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 984141)
Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ?

I don’t remember him always looking like this. I can remember that game when he walked the Raiders down the field and scored the walk off TD and I think maybe a 2 point conversion against Brees and company. I’d have to go look back, but maybe he’s shell shocked.

neugey 10-20-2023 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 984141)
Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ?


It's a Loomis/Saints problem. We overvalue an underdog player of sorts based on intangibles we've overrated, then we overpay to "get our guy". We think because we hit the jackpot with Kamara trading up that it's the best way to go and now we do it way, way too often. Davenport, Olave, Penning among others are examples of this on draft day. The same contrarian thinking carried over to Carr and we thought we had a black sheep of sorts the rest of the league was underrating, so then we bid against ourselves to be cool. But aha overpaying him and making him a captain has backfired and now he thinks he has to be a savior and he can't get out of his own head. I want to give Loomis some slack but I can't - we seem to have a lot of ego involved with personnel decisions and the inability to admit, let alone learn, from our missteps is scary. Loomis' stubborn approach is the root of a lot of our problems.


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