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The Saints put up a valiant effort with a second half comeback to tie the game at 24. After the Jaguars went up 31-24, the Saints ran out of gas in the red zone, again, when Foster Moreau dropped a wide open pass in the back corner of the end zone to potentially tie the game with under a minute left.

Taysom Hill had another amazing performance getting the Saints back in the Red Zone by will alone, pushing the Saints in for a 2nd half score.

The defense has to pull out all the stops to hold off the Jaguars throughout the game when the offense wasn't in sync. In the end it was too much as the Jaguars won 31-24 after the Saints offense stalled in the red zone.

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When Dennis Allen took the Raiders head coaching job he had one goal, to the return the franchise to its traditions and level of play from the late 1960's through early 1980's. He wasn't able to do that. When the Saints offered him another chance, he was sure this was a place where he could do that for us. He was right.

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“Valiant effort” in the fourth quarter doesn’t get it done.

We need a new Head Coach.

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He was chased out of town by Mark Davis by telephone call.

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I may have been just a bit too hard on Carmichael. Some of the calls were passable tonight, and going to the hurry up was bold and something Payton refused to do often to our detriment. That said, some of the run calls were horrible and we didn't enough to help the O-line in pass protection. Definitely inferior compared to just about everything the Jaguars schemed.

Carr is looking like a lost cause. We don't need a pouty QB who can only get it together in late-game hurry up. Taysom, Jameis or Haener might be addition by subtraction.

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There is no player on this team who is as bad as the coaches at this point. Any player benching while the coaches stay employed sends the wrong message for accountability. I say start all the same players next week and every week, until we have new coaches. We have seen these coaches with Dalton. We have seen them with Winston. Haener is probably the new Book. We need to see new coaches.

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My observations of the Jags post game are a trend of the season as a whole.

Derek Carr - holds on to the ball too long and needs have confidence to let it go, as evidenced by the up tempo drive. I question his leadership abilities to draw the team together. Mediocre at best QB, maybe I am being kind. Passing smarts and accuracy are glaringly lacking, fortunately this hasn't resulted in more interceptions as would be the case with our backup. I think 7 games in is plenty of time to begin to sync with your talented receiving corp if that was the problem.

The team is in internal turmoil and there is no distinct leadership at the coaching level.

Defense - inconsistent, allowing too many big runs particularly QB. Allowing big plays in general.

Olave - not sure what his deal is but there is something going on there obviously. Maybe he needs benched , but that would hurt his trade value.

O-Line - pieced together but I have seen worse. 75% of the time effort is there and if Carr would release the ball sooner, provided the WR's run and finish the correct routes, we would be much better. I am thinking the line is stepping up.

Taysom - one of the few reasons we are even in these games. A baller!

Grupe - Choke master

Backfield - better utilization, we always run up the middle on first down. We are solid back there, just not sure the entire backfield is being utilized. Could one in the top 5 backfields in the NFL if used correctly.

Observations from the Saints' loss to the Jaguars
 

https://www.youtube.com/live/lRmPRVt...Iyu8mlQobVkXPT

https://www.youtube.com/live/rmxUki7...h4qNFJXzf_Bq57

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Carr is reminding me of late stage Carson Wentz. He makes playing QB look harder than it actually is. On top of our coaching staff being a gaggle of substitute teachers, we now have a real financial dilemma on our hands.

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-Not a fan of Carr. His decision making, accuracy and attitude are not good.
-Kickers should be auditioning as we speak. He was playing with house money this summer, not expecting to get the job. Not that he is the kicker, it seems beyond his capabilities at the moment.
-A talent like Kamara deserves to play on a winner.
-Thomas should be traded for no other reason than Carr won't force the ball to him..
-Olave is not what I thought he was or what I hoped he would be.
-A lot of talent and effort is being wasted.
-A record of 7-9 at best.

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Why did we sign Jimmy Graham if we weren't going to use him in the ONE area of the field we struggled most - THE RED ZONE.

Why, after 6 games, are players still saying they "just need more focus and better execution"?

Why, after 6 games, is our QB still not "on the same page" with receivers?

Why are we having the same o line issues for the fourth year in a row?

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There is no leadership.

Execution is still flawed.

No one is held accountable.

The organization is failing.

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We’re in for a long season, but hey a top ten draft pick should land us a decent QB! Carrbomb is not the answer! We should’ve kept Lutz! PC has to go now! For some reason I don’t think he was calling the second half plays!!! DA will be fired at year end! We need to dialog of work on our Offensive Line!!!

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There’s nothing much left to say that hasn’t been said already. A lot of good points and it seems our perspectives on this team as a whole are lining up. The only thing that I can say at this point is this team was handed to Allen with it set up for the most part to succeed and on top of that, they did a good job with FA and draft to build this team to, in my opinion, make a serious push in the playoffs. What I’m seeing now is nothing short of embarrassing. If changes don’t come then I’m gonna take it as both upper management and ownership dont desire a winning organization that will motivate players to play at maximum effort and is attractive to future FA’s.

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I think it's safe now to designate Penning as a bust. Horrible pick by us - fall in love with one intangible (mean streak) on a raw player with bad fundamentals, and now he's in the doghouse even on a banged up unit. Might as well cut him or trade him for a 7th rounder.

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Before trading him for a low pick, I would try him at both guard positions and at RT during training camp in 2024. If he is unable to win a starting job, maybe he can at least develop into a key backup/role player. He was absolutely a bad 1st round draft pick and so far a LT bust.

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Honestly laughable that we havent heard of any news from DA about changing things up yet.

4 losses in 5 weeks, no end in sight apparently.

I hate losing, but if DA won't get rid of Pete, then he only has himself to blame when they both go.

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I'm only speaking from the sideline (couch coach :p) but I find it odd that last season, Olave and Andy Dalton were on the same page.

Fast forward to NOW, DCarr and Olave have been all over the place. I was blown away at the number of times Chris appeared confused at pre snap.

Something is definitely "off".

IDK if Ronal Curry took over in the second half, but the offense seemed a bit more in sync.

We are beating a dead horse here but you have to take away the play calling duties from Pete before players start to check out. AKamara is a generational talent that's being wasted in New Orleans.

Again, I'm just a couch coach & my 2 penny input :rolleyes:.

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Katherine Terrell just wrote;

With the Jags pick 6 last night, opposing defenses have now scored the same amount of TD's at the Superdome as the Saints offense have.

Honestly, this is an absolute joke.

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:rofl:

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I had seats in the end zone. I was right there in the third row when Thomas scored, Kamara jumped in the stands, and Moreau dropped the TD. It allowed me to see Carr from the perspective of a defensive player. He processes slowly. He stares things down. There was plenty of time for me to read his eyes and figure out exactly what he wanted to do. Playcalling is atrocious, but he’s a major issue as well. I’d be fine just rolling with Jameis, Hill, or Haener and eating the dead cap to end the experiment as we fire our coaches and go in a brand new direction next year.

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I agree with your assessment. Sadly, we are not going to see any major changes until we are mathematically eliminated from winning the NFC South!

Carr is still acting like he's in a Raider uniform and has ZERO confidence in throwing his guys open... not to mention failing to see open receivers or have his guys alter their route running to take advantage of soft center field coverage.

Hope they try to give Curry a chance with the headset. Maybe the OC needs to be in the booth so they can see the field better. I'm clutching at straws, but changing something just might make a difference.

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That’s it right there^^^

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I saw what you were talking about with Carr and hesitation/slow decision making. It happened before my eyes again last night on the 1st quarter red zone trip when Carr tried to lob it to the back of the end zone to Shaheed. Shaheed was open immediately for a quick TD, but Carr just watched him without throwing. Shaheed went left, the right to the back of the end zone but the defender got there.

The Playcalling MAY not be horrible. If you look at the game differently, plays are exactly the same - the difference is those plays were designed for Drew Brees. Brees had one of the fastest releases I have ever seen. During his last season, with 11 broken ribs, or whatever - it was crazy - Brees still had a quick release, but his arm was weaker because he was half dead.

The problem is this offense is geared toward Brees' unique style. Put a younger Brees in the cockpit, and that offense probably hums.

That's Carmichael's problem, as well as the organization - they can't move on from Brees. Bringing in QB's isn't going to cut it. Only Mahomes and maybe 1 other QB has the read and react time Brees has.

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It's like Carr has in his head where the ball is going pre-snap, but it's always the wrong place.

He checked down to Kamara insanely quick, when he had Olave coming open on the seam for a 50 yard TD on another play.

The one you referenced really annoyed me, because he did the same thing early in the game when Moreau got lit up.

Moreau ran a little button hook on the goal line, the ball should be fired into his gut the second he makes his break. Carr stands there and watches, 2 defenders converge, he still throws the pass and Moreau tips it and gets destroyed.

They are making it so much more difficult than it needs to be down in the redzone. Carr is rattling himself and running into pressure and then throwing bad passes

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Lawrence's release was noticeably quicker than Carr's as well as the decision making. Having a quick release is so important in the pros. Aaron Rodgers' release speed is superb - probably the best in the game if he wasn't hurt.

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I agree with you and have been seeing the same thing for a while, in case nobody could tell.

We gunna hafta wait until the end of the year. But I'm down for hiring Bienemy! We need new blood BAD.

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Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ?

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I don’t remember him always looking like this. I can remember that game when he walked the Raiders down the field and scored the walk off TD and I think maybe a 2 point conversion against Brees and company. I’d have to go look back, but maybe he’s shell shocked.

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It's a Loomis/Saints problem. We overvalue an underdog player of sorts based on intangibles we've overrated, then we overpay to "get our guy". We think because we hit the jackpot with Kamara trading up that it's the best way to go and now we do it way, way too often. Davenport, Olave, Penning among others are examples of this on draft day. The same contrarian thinking carried over to Carr and we thought we had a black sheep of sorts the rest of the league was underrating, so then we bid against ourselves to be cool. But aha overpaying him and making him a captain has backfired and now he thinks he has to be a savior and he can't get out of his own head. I want to give Loomis some slack but I can't - we seem to have a lot of ego involved with personnel decisions and the inability to admit, let alone learn, from our missteps is scary. Loomis' stubborn approach is the root of a lot of our problems.

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The play that everyone's talking about where Carr was screaming at Olave, has some different context on Twitter now and makes Carr look dumb to be honest.

Apparently Olave was the clear out guy for the "out-route" Taysom was running underneath, but because Olave half assed it, defenders were too close to Taysom to throw that Route, so Carr just air-mailed it.
Obviously Olave half assing routes when he isn't the focal receiver is a problem that needs sorting, however;

All the while, Carr had Michael Thomas against single coverage running a crossing pattern and he was WIDE OPEN. Carr once again never even looked, he just decided a receiver had messed up and launched the ball into the stands.

Honestly embarrassing.
Why won't this offense attack the middle of the F'ing Field??

So Carr either, holds the ball too long, or decides too quick where he's going. And then throws too high or too low anyway.

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Yep, that one too.

Olave has a right to be pissed there, pretty sure we ran that play multiple times and Carr missed him both times.

Not to mention, when the Safety begins to drift towards the seam, Shaheed is once again wide freaking open on the sideline.

The only thing with that play is protection broke down pretty quickly, but if Carr could read routes and throw with anticipation, that's 6 points.

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Great analysis. After watching this it appears to me that Carr is more of the problem than the OC or HC. Simple plays he can't execute. I couldn't stomach watching the whole thing. We're in trouble.

He's terrible, and I had such high hopes for him.:(

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He should be experienced enough to know better ... and do better.

Time to play the rookie, "pretty boy" Haener. $100 million be damned. Bet you he does not miss those wide open plays.

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Guess it explains why Oakland were fine with letting him walk.

FO really gambled on the wrong guy, now we are tied to a big contract and a no trade clause.

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This film makes me sick to the stomach. But, at the same time it confirms I’m not crazy. Watching this game I was thinking this guy(Carr) is terrible.

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Not going to happen boss.

Saints front office is committed to Carr for the next 2,3 years.

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So it’s becoming increasingly clear that our FO is our core problem. That’s gonna make talking about the symptoms irrelevant, and watching our beloved Saints games unbearable for quite some time.