Saints Jaguars Postgame Observations

neugey · 10-20-2023, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

During his last season, with 11 broken ribs, or whatever - it was crazy - Brees still had a quick release, but his arm was weaker because he was half dead.

Lawrence's release was noticeably quicker than Carr's as well as the decision making. Having a quick release is so important in the pros. Aaron Rodgers' release speed is superb - probably the best in the game if he wasn't hurt.

SmashMouth · 10-20-2023, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Lawrence's release was noticeably quicker than Carr's as well as the decision making. Having a quick release is so important in the pros. Aaron Rodgers' release speed is superb - probably the best in the game if he wasn't hurt.

Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ?

rezburna · 10-20-2023, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ?

I don’t remember him always looking like this. I can remember that game when he walked the Raiders down the field and scored the walk off TD and I think maybe a 2 point conversion against Brees and company. I’d have to go look back, but maybe he’s shell shocked.

SmashMouth · 10-21-2023, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The play that everyone's talking about where Carr was screaming at Olave, has some different context on Twitter now and makes Carr look dumb to be honest.

Apparently Olave was the clear out guy for the "out-route" Taysom was running underneath, but because Olave half assed it, defenders were too close to Taysom to throw that Route, so Carr just air-mailed it.
Obviously Olave half assing routes when he isn't the focal receiver is a problem that needs sorting, however;

All the while, Carr had Michael Thomas against single coverage running a crossing pattern and he was WIDE OPEN. Carr once again never even looked, he just decided a receiver had messed up and launched the ball into the stands.

Honestly embarrassing.
Why won't this offense attack the middle of the F'ing Field??

So Carr either, holds the ball too long, or decides too quick where he's going. And then throws too high or too low anyway.

Originally Posted by rezburna

I don’t remember him always looking like this. I can remember that game when he walked the Raiders down the field and scored the walk off TD and I think maybe a 2 point conversion against Brees and company. I’d have to go look back, but maybe he’s shell shocked.

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dizzle88 · 10-21-2023, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://twitter.com/NFLTrenchBattle/...04217727930681

Yep, that one too.

Olave has a right to be pissed there, pretty sure we ran that play multiple times and Carr missed him both times.

Not to mention, when the Safety begins to drift towards the seam, Shaheed is once again wide freaking open on the sideline.

The only thing with that play is protection broke down pretty quickly, but if Carr could read routes and throw with anticipation, that's 6 points.

neugey · 10-20-2023, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ?

It's a Loomis/Saints problem. We overvalue an underdog player of sorts based on intangibles we've overrated, then we overpay to "get our guy". We think because we hit the jackpot with Kamara trading up that it's the best way to go and now we do it way, way too often. Davenport, Olave, Penning among others are examples of this on draft day. The same contrarian thinking carried over to Carr and we thought we had a black sheep of sorts the rest of the league was underrating, so then we bid against ourselves to be cool. But aha overpaying him and making him a captain has backfired and now he thinks he has to be a savior and he can't get out of his own head. I want to give Loomis some slack but I can't - we seem to have a lot of ego involved with personnel decisions and the inability to admit, let alone learn, from our missteps is scary. Loomis' stubborn approach is the root of a lot of our problems.

10-20-2023, 05:39 PM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,850 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Jaguars Postgame Observations Originally Posted by Halo During his last season, with 11 broken ribs, or whatever - it was crazy - Brees still had a quick release, but his arm was weaker because he was half dead. Lawrence's release was noticeably quicker than Carr's as well as the decision making. Having a quick release is so important in the pros. Aaron Rodgers' release speed is superb - probably the best in the game if he wasn't hurt. Halo and SmashMouth like this.

10-20-2023, 09:12 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,688 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints Jaguars Postgame Observations Originally Posted by neugey Lawrence's release was noticeably quicker than Carr's as well as the decision making. Having a quick release is so important in the pros. Aaron Rodgers' release speed is superb - probably the best in the game if he wasn't hurt. Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ?

10-20-2023, 09:28 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,075	Re: Saints Jaguars Postgame Observations Originally Posted by SmashMouth Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ? I don’t remember him always looking like this. I can remember that game when he walked the Raiders down the field and scored the walk off TD and I think maybe a 2 point conversion against Brees and company. I’d have to go look back, but maybe he’s shell shocked. neugey, Rugby Saint II and Pete like this.

10-21-2023, 06:40 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,688 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints Jaguars Postgame Observations Originally Posted by dizzle88 The play that everyone's talking about where Carr was screaming at Olave, has some different context on Twitter now and makes Carr look dumb to be honest. Apparently Olave was the clear out guy for the "out-route" Taysom was running underneath, but because Olave half assed it, defenders were too close to Taysom to throw that Route, so Carr just air-mailed it. Obviously Olave half assing routes when he isn't the focal receiver is a problem that needs sorting, however; All the while, Carr had Michael Thomas against single coverage running a crossing pattern and he was WIDE OPEN. Carr once again never even looked, he just decided a receiver had messed up and launched the ball into the stands. Honestly embarrassing. Why won't this offense attack the middle of the F'ing Field?? So Carr either, holds the ball too long, or decides too quick where he's going. And then throws too high or too low anyway. Originally Posted by rezburna I don’t remember him always looking like this. I can remember that game when he walked the Raiders down the field and scored the walk off TD and I think maybe a 2 point conversion against Brees and company. I’d have to go look back, but maybe he’s shell shocked. Twitter dizzle88 likes this.

10-21-2023, 06:48 AM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,532	Re: Saints Jaguars Postgame Observations Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://twitter.com/NFLTrenchBattle/...04217727930681 Yep, that one too. Olave has a right to be pissed there, pretty sure we ran that play multiple times and Carr missed him both times. Not to mention, when the Safety begins to drift towards the seam, Shaheed is once again wide freaking open on the sideline. The only thing with that play is protection broke down pretty quickly, but if Carr could read routes and throw with anticipation, that's 6 points. SmashMouth likes this.

10-20-2023, 09:48 PM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,850 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Jaguars Postgame Observations Originally Posted by SmashMouth Thing is, you'd think the Saints would have assessed that before signing DC4. What's so abundantly clear to us after a mere 6-7 games was apparently not so before the signing . It was to the Raiders. Why didn't the Saints organization understand this ? It's a Loomis/Saints problem. We overvalue an underdog player of sorts based on intangibles we've overrated, then we overpay to "get our guy". We think because we hit the jackpot with Kamara trading up that it's the best way to go and now we do it way, way too often. Davenport, Olave, Penning among others are examples of this on draft day. The same contrarian thinking carried over to Carr and we thought we had a black sheep of sorts the rest of the league was underrating, so then we bid against ourselves to be cool. But aha overpaying him and making him a captain has backfired and now he thinks he has to be a savior and he can't get out of his own head. I want to give Loomis some slack but I can't - we seem to have a lot of ego involved with personnel decisions and the inability to admit, let alone learn, from our missteps is scary. Loomis' stubborn approach is the root of a lot of our problems. Sinner and BakoSaint like this.