Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction)

TheOak · 10-24-2023, 06:42 AM

I did not see this covered in any thread with the exception of a comment by Papz about the issues being systemic and he was spot on. The cause of our problems are not due to football system but specifically management system and something drastic will have to happen to change it.

The most detrimental issue to any organization, even more than incompetence, is owner apathy because even the incompetent risks randomly getting something right.

When Tom bought the franchise I will assume he was at least a fan of football and the Saints like we are. Gayle can not be bothered. Everything you need to hear is within the 6:44 and 7:22 minute mark of this video. https://www.youtube.com/live/sTK2JkK...yLWE69dw2ZImNs

- Gayle has zero organizational presence or activity. If she took part she wouldn't be reading from a script. At the 6:39 mark, Loomis says she "trusted them".

- While Gayle defers to Loomis, Loomis defers to 4 other people (President and three future GMs) in the organization. At this point #1 and #2 have assumed zero accountability. 'They did it'.

What was troublesome for me when it first aired, and still is, is that the process to find a HC wasn't created until after Sean left.

Questions unanswered:
How was Sean Payton found and why was that process not repeated?
Was all of that supposed work required to find a head coach from within? Seems excessive.

This is what makes the problem systemic and very difficult to correct. Our problem is not that Dennis Allen is a bad Head Coach, our problem is that the system that chose him is dysfunctional. The selection of Dennis Allen is just a symptom of a broken system.

A bad system produced a bad coach who chose a questionable QB.

Unless the organization hires an outside consulting firm to find the next HC the problem will continue. For that to happen Loomis would have to admit to screwing up in the first place, executives do not like to do that. Gayle would have to admit that leaving it to Loomis was a bad choice, apathetic owners seldom put forth that much effort.

A $4BN organization without any succession plan for key personnel just shouldn't happen in this day and age. Loomis is Peter Principled out and he can not draft or freeagent his way out of this.

10-24-2023, 06:42 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,042	Cause vs Symptom (Saints organizational dysfunction) I did not see this covered in any thread with the exception of a comment by Papz about the issues being systemic and he was spot on. The cause of our problems are not due to football system but specifically management system and something drastic will have to happen to change it. The most detrimental issue to any organization, even more than incompetence, is owner apathy because even the incompetent risks randomly getting something right. When Tom bought the franchise I will assume he was at least a fan of football and the Saints like we are. Gayle can not be bothered. Everything you need to hear is within the 6:44 and 7:22 minute mark of this video. https://www.youtube.com/live/sTK2JkK...yLWE69dw2ZImNs - Gayle has zero organizational presence or activity. If she took part she wouldn't be reading from a script. At the 6:39 mark, Loomis says she "trusted them". - While Gayle defers to Loomis, Loomis defers to 4 other people (President and three future GMs) in the organization. At this point #1 and #2 have assumed zero accountability. 'They did it'. What was troublesome for me when it first aired, and still is, is that the process to find a HC wasn't created until after Sean left. Questions unanswered: How was Sean Payton found and why was that process not repeated? Was all of that supposed work required to find a head coach from within? Seems excessive. This is what makes the problem systemic and very difficult to correct. Our problem is not that Dennis Allen is a bad Head Coach, our problem is that the system that chose him is dysfunctional. The selection of Dennis Allen is just a symptom of a broken system. A bad system produced a bad coach who chose a questionable QB. Unless the organization hires an outside consulting firm to find the next HC the problem will continue. For that to happen Loomis would have to admit to screwing up in the first place, executives do not like to do that. Gayle would have to admit that leaving it to Loomis was a bad choice, apathetic owners seldom put forth that much effort. A $4BN organization without any succession plan for key personnel just shouldn't happen in this day and age. Loomis is Peter Principled out and he can not draft or freeagent his way out of this. jnormand, Rugby Saint II, Sinner and 2 others like this.
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