Observations from the Saints win vs Bears

11-07-2023, 11:01 AM

Deuce is completely correct here.

Against the better teams (circle 12/3), & in post season you have to shut the door early. LEAVE NO DOUBT. Luckily we were playing the Bears.

Deuce: Saints defense has to learn to be 'elite all the time,' not just the 2nd half - YouTube

Rugby Saint II · 11-08-2023, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Deuce is completely correct here.

Against the better teams (circle 12/3), & in post season you have to shut the door early. LEAVE NO DOUBT. Luckily we were playing the Bears.

Deuce: Saints defense has to learn to be 'elite all the time,' not just the 2nd half - YouTube

The problem is that when we shut the door it's usually on our foot.....just before we shoot ourselves in it.

TheOak · 11-09-2023, 04:41 AM

Not to be a Debbie downer for some of you flying on a high. I like the team we have on the field and believe there is a ton of potential there. While the team is certainly better than 5-4, what stands on the sidelines is not. That is the sh*t show which prevents me from seeing overall upside.

We are 5-4 and Top of the NFL South. Great
We are also in a spot where if we do not win the division we could be out of wild card position, and have beaten no teams with a winning record. Other than the Colts, no team we have beaten has more than 2 wins and 3 of our 4 losses came to teams that are .500 or below. We are only beating loosing teams and 1/2 the time losing to losing teams which really curbs any potential for enthusiasm.

While I do understand that optimism is more socially acceptable than pragmatism, I also know that Las Vegas was built on and is sustained by blind hope and optimism... Not winners.

AsylumGuido · 11-09-2023, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not to be a Debbie downer for some of you flying on a high. I like the team we have on the field and believe there is a ton of potential there. While the team is certainly better than 5-4, what stands on the sidelines is not. That is the sh*t show which prevents me from seeing overall upside.

We are 5-4 and Top of the NFL South. Great
We are also in a spot where if we do not win the division we could be out of wild card position, and have beaten no teams with a winning record. Other than the Colts, no team we have beaten has more than 2 wins and 3 of our 4 losses came to teams that are .500 or below. We are only beating loosing teams and 1/2 the time losing to losing teams which really curbs any potential for enthusiasm.

While I do understand that optimism is more socially acceptable than pragmatism, I also know that Las Vegas was built on and is sustained by blind hope and optimism... Not winners.

What does Vegas have to do with our hope and optimism for our beloved Saints?

WW_Who_Dat · 11-09-2023, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

While the team is certainly better than 5-4, what stands on the sidelines is not. That is the sh*t show which prevents me from seeing overall upside.

Every week that goes by the HC and OC show us more detailed evidence of their lack of ability to lead a talent laden rooster. With inconsistent game planning that fails to attacks our opponents defense using ALL our offensive weapons. Play calling looks random, 3rd and short throw deep, 3rd and long throw 3 yard crossing route across the middle trying to pickup 9.

We saw multiple calls by DA in this game alone where his decisions rather than increasing the margin for victory putting the outcome of the game at greater risk.

Whether we win the NFC South or not this leadership Cabal needs to change. DA is an example of someone who is a really good Defensive Coordinator but has twice shown little prospect as a Head Coach in especially in Todays NFL that is an Offense First League.

iceshack149 · 11-09-2023, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not to be a Debbie downer for some of you flying on a high. I like the team we have on the field and believe there is a ton of potential there. While the team is certainly better than 5-4, what stands on the sidelines is not. That is the sh*t show which prevents me from seeing overall upside.

We are 5-4 and Top of the NFL South. Great
We are also in a spot where if we do not win the division we could be out of wild card position, and have beaten no teams with a winning record. Other than the Colts, no team we have beaten has more than 2 wins and 3 of our 4 losses came to teams that are .500 or below. We are only beating loosing teams and 1/2 the time losing to losing teams which really curbs any potential for enthusiasm.

While I do understand that optimism is more socially acceptable than pragmatism, I also know that Las Vegas was built on and is sustained by blind hope and optimism... Not winners.

Agree. For the past few years this team has had multiple injured players and an average to below average record as a result. Or so many of us thought. Now that the team is relatively healthy this season with one of the best defenses this team has ever had playing against unremarkable teams their record is again average.

It's evident from which the weakness stems.

Rugby Saint II · 11-09-2023, 11:17 AM

My biggest concern is that DA will be back next year! "Nuff said!"

AsylumGuido · 11-09-2023, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

My biggest concern is that DA will be back next year! "Nuff said!"

I just want to reach the playoffs and play a home game. If that guarantees that Allen returns as head coach then so be it.

AsylumGuido · 11-09-2023, 01:34 PM

mapcow · 11-10-2023, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I stopped reading when you said we should start Shaheed over Thomas. Are you not aware that both Thomas AND Shaheed started yesterday, as well as Olave. All three of them played the majority of offensive snaps. Shaheed also played six special teams snaps.

JAG has 1 td...

according to ESPN. I don't follow much... maybe 2.... cough.

11-08-2023, 02:46 PM	#32
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,760	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Bears Originally Posted by K Major Deuce is completely correct here. Against the better teams (circle 12/3), & in post season you have to shut the door early. LEAVE NO DOUBT. Luckily we were playing the Bears. Deuce: Saints defense has to learn to be 'elite all the time,' not just the 2nd half - YouTube The problem is that when we shut the door it's usually on our foot.....just before we shoot ourselves in it. K Major likes this.

11-09-2023, 04:41 AM	#33
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Bears Not to be a Debbie downer for some of you flying on a high. I like the team we have on the field and believe there is a ton of potential there. While the team is certainly better than 5-4, what stands on the sidelines is not. That is the sh*t show which prevents me from seeing overall upside. We are 5-4 and Top of the NFL South. Great We are also in a spot where if we do not win the division we could be out of wild card position, and have beaten no teams with a winning record. Other than the Colts, no team we have beaten has more than 2 wins and 3 of our 4 losses came to teams that are .500 or below. We are only beating loosing teams and 1/2 the time losing to losing teams which really curbs any potential for enthusiasm. While I do understand that optimism is more socially acceptable than pragmatism, I also know that Las Vegas was built on and is sustained by blind hope and optimism... Not winners. jnormand, Rugby Saint II, Sinner and 1 others like this.
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11-09-2023, 08:15 AM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Bears Originally Posted by TheOak Not to be a Debbie downer for some of you flying on a high. I like the team we have on the field and believe there is a ton of potential there. While the team is certainly better than 5-4, what stands on the sidelines is not. That is the sh*t show which prevents me from seeing overall upside. We are 5-4 and Top of the NFL South. Great We are also in a spot where if we do not win the division we could be out of wild card position, and have beaten no teams with a winning record. Other than the Colts, no team we have beaten has more than 2 wins and 3 of our 4 losses came to teams that are .500 or below. We are only beating loosing teams and 1/2 the time losing to losing teams which really curbs any potential for enthusiasm. While I do understand that optimism is more socially acceptable than pragmatism, I also know that Las Vegas was built on and is sustained by blind hope and optimism... Not winners. What does Vegas have to do with our hope and optimism for our beloved Saints?

11-09-2023, 09:10 AM	#35
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,166 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Bears Originally Posted by TheOak While the team is certainly better than 5-4, what stands on the sidelines is not. That is the sh*t show which prevents me from seeing overall upside. Every week that goes by the HC and OC show us more detailed evidence of their lack of ability to lead a talent laden rooster. With inconsistent game planning that fails to attacks our opponents defense using ALL our offensive weapons. Play calling looks random, 3rd and short throw deep, 3rd and long throw 3 yard crossing route across the middle trying to pickup 9. We saw multiple calls by DA in this game alone where his decisions rather than increasing the margin for victory putting the outcome of the game at greater risk. Whether we win the NFC South or not this leadership Cabal needs to change. DA is an example of someone who is a really good Defensive Coordinator but has twice shown little prospect as a Head Coach in especially in Todays NFL that is an Offense First League. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

11-09-2023, 10:06 AM	#36
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,093 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Bears Originally Posted by TheOak Not to be a Debbie downer for some of you flying on a high. I like the team we have on the field and believe there is a ton of potential there. While the team is certainly better than 5-4, what stands on the sidelines is not. That is the sht show which prevents me from seeing overall upside. We are 5-4 and Top of the NFL South. Great We are also in a spot where if we do not win the division we could be out of wild card position, and have beaten no teams with a winning record. Other than the Colts, no team we have beaten has more than 2 wins and 3 of our 4 losses came to teams that are .500 or below. We are only beating loosing teams and 1/2 the time losing to losing teams which really curbs any potential for enthusiasm. While I do understand that optimism is more socially acceptable than pragmatism, I also know that Las Vegas was built on and is sustained by blind hope and optimism... Not winners. Agree. For the past few years this team has had multiple injured players and an average to below average record as a result. Or so many of us thought. Now that the team is relatively healthy this season with one of the best defenses this team has ever* had playing against unremarkable teams their record is again average. It's evident from which the weakness stems.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Bears Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II My biggest concern is that DA will be back next year! "Nuff said!" I just want to reach the playoffs and play a home game. If that guarantees that Allen returns as head coach then so be it.

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11-10-2023, 12:28 AM	#40
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,335	Re: Observations from the Saints win vs Bears Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I stopped reading when you said we should start Shaheed over Thomas. Are you not aware that both Thomas AND Shaheed started yesterday, as well as Olave. All three of them played the majority of offensive snaps. Shaheed also played six special teams snaps. JAG has 1 td... according to ESPN. I don't follow much... maybe 2.... cough.
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