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Despite many many jinx attempts, Saints pull out a win with the help of Adebo PDF reader's best game of his career. Should make POW on defense

At the end of the day, with 5 turnovers, the game should not have been even remotely this close.

Let's enjoy this nevertheless.

Are the Saints in first place NFC South?

Who Dat!

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Falcons just gave up the go ahead TD.

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We needed 5 turnovers to barely beat a two win team. We need
A kicker. Tampa just went clutch.

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1st place NFC South 🤦

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Stroud is amazing. He just ripped the heart out of the Bucs.

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Stroud just drove the Houston 75 yards in 46 seconds to beat the Yucs.

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Buccaneers just lost

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Observation: Um… Good Win…. We need a new Head Coach. WHODAT!

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We did what it took to win. We now have sole possession of first place in the NFC South.

Who Dat!!

:bng:

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We need a new GM and a new Head Coach.

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The main reason why I was so glad he didn’t end up in Carolina.

Young and extremely talented.

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At least on paper, this game was a throwback to the shaky wins of the Gregg Williams era. Allow lots of yards and get them turnovers! Adebo for head coach, GM and possibly major of New Orleans!

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-A win.
-Leading the division.
-Adebo with a huge game.
-Hill is arguably the Saints MVP.
-Schedule moving forward isn't brutal.
-Good to see Johnson involved.
-Peat looks to be in his best shape as a Saint.
-Created 5 turnovers.

-Created 5 turnovers and won by 7.
-Grupe with an "important " kick miss.
-The inability to close out games with opportunities right in front of you.
-Saints 5 wins have came against teams with a combined 11-30 record.
-Outside of Hill the run game is struggling.
-I ain't sad. 😁

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Maybe forgotten about, but Isaac Yiadom had a monumental play to knock the punt out of the endzone and out of bounds in the 4th quarter.

Think that set up either a punt or turnover.

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* Chicago was running the ball the way we should, without a ton of hesitation in the backfield.

* Offence is borderline atrocious. Usually I can understand what type of gameplan the OC has IE run to open up the pass, work the underneath stuff by threatening deep and so on. I don't see anything cohesive on offence right now. Its like somebody picked a bunch of random plays and formations and just threw them together.

* We don't win the game without Adebo and Hill.

* Actually decent protection today.

* Defence is opportunistic but gives up way to much yards to a rookie QB running.

* Bresee batting that ball was huge. It seems like he has a flash play most every game.

* We had no business trying to run the ball on 4th and short, we don't have a line right now that generates that type of push.

* I am happy we won. Much rather be 5-4 than 4-5.

* I am almost more happy that the Falcons lost. **** 'em!

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Good point! That was some great hustle.

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Firstly, very glad to get a win…feels good.
This defense reminds me of a Greg Williams defense. Not dominant but gets turnovers. Unfortunately those turnovers go to a offense that’s not led by Brees, but instead a boring offense that struggles to put up points.
Hopefully stacking a couple wins builds confidence and we can continue to improve, but this is still currently not a team that’s performing to go far in the playoffs, and that’s the goal, right? But hooray for first place in the division. We still need improvement. We barely beat a 2-6 team.
Not trying to be a Debbie downer after a win, I’m just a realist. I love my Saints and I want to win it all again, just don’t see it as of now. I love the talent on this team too. Again, feels good to get a win

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Positives:
• Offensive line play has been better. 0 sacks today. First time all year.
• Derek Carr with back to back 70%+ games. He’s far from perfect, but he’s slightly above average thus far.
• Taysom Hill continues to make good plays at the right time.
• Paulson Adebo was grading out at 75.7 on PFF before this game. He’s quietly having a great year.
• The defense made some good adjustments in the 2nd half. I guess they read the forums because I called for them to play more zone and QB contain and that worked. Keep the rookie in the pocket and see if he can beat you. As we see, he couldn’t.
• Isaac Yiadom has made huge plays on both special teams and on defense. He was a great free agent pick up.

Negatives:
• Blake Grupe and Lou Hedley were horrible decisions. They both need to be replaced.
• The offense and defense have to find a way to get in sync and be successful at the same time. These slows starts are going to bite us in the ass.
• Coaching continues to be poor and it’s not improving. If anything the players are just overcoming the coaching deficiencies.
• Kamara, Thomas, and Shaheed aren’t utilized as often as they should be. This goes back to coaching.
• Zack Baun should never touch the field on defense. We signed Corey Littleton. If you want a third LB on the field play him. Baun is trash.
• We need a pass rusher opposite of Granderson but Loomis made no efforts for Sweat or Young. There’s no reason to have all these “bigger” defensive lineman if we can’t shut down the run. This is why running QB’s continue to give us fits. We have no speed on the line and only two linebackers on the field 90% of the time.

Glad for the win. I’m not any more optimistic than I was before the game. Happy to be 1st place in the NFC South for now. This is going to be a week to week situation.

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Grupe needs to go.

DA bet on the wrong horses at kicker and Punter, and lost in both cases.

Grupe cannot handle it when the kick matters, he's proven that twice now.

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Good news, we won. Atlanta lost. Tampa lost.
This team would be dead WITHOUT Taysom Hill.

Bad - Dennis still makes poor in game coaching decisions. Special teams

Better bring in a new kicker tryouts. When you face real competition in post season, Grupe is gonna cost you from advancing. He’s already hurt you in two games this season.

You aren’t gonna keep squeaking by bad teams with inexperienced QBs each week.

I’m on to Minneapolis 🫡.

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Positives:
- We won, Bucs and Falcons lost. First place in the NFC South!
- Defense made some nice adjustments at half and does what they were supposed to do against the Bears asks a rookie QB.
- Adebo is playing really well and making game changing plays
- Yiadom had a great play on special teams that pinned the Bears deep
- Hill continues to impress running the ball, receiving and throwing for a TD today. Probably the lone bright spot on offense today.
- Cut back on penalties (1 penalty for 5 yards). I’ll take that any day
- +5 turnover differential

Negatives:
- Coaching continues to be awful. Why Allen decided to accept a penalty after we stopped them on 3rd and naturally they picked it up is a fireable offense.
- Continuing with the coaching, the offensive play calling is brutal. We don’t utilize the weapons at have and it’s the most basic, boring offense in the league. Pete needs to go
- Grupe clearly isn’t the answer. He can’t make a kick late in close games. I knew he was going to miss that kick. He’s already cost us and he will continue to do so.
- Defense can’t come out and play the way they did in the first half. We weren’t covering anyone in the passing game. Against good teams we’d be in a hole to deep to dig out of.
- When you are +5 in the turnover battle you shouldn’t be locked in a close game against a bad team at home. We had so many chances to put the Bears away and we couldn’t.

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The dynamic Hill’s receiving TD made him the first NFL player since New York Giants Hall of Famer Frank Gifford (who retired after the 1964 season) to score 10 or more times each as a passer (11), runner (26) and receiver (10).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...ec100c60&ei=38

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I think people are being too hard on Grupe. He also made a 55 yarder. Chicago's kicker had a miss today too. Lutz missed a field goal and an XP in his last game too. I would not say we kept the wrong kicker. Perhaps we should have traded BOTH of them, but Grupe could still recover and has good range and is cheaper than Lutz.

Michael Thomas had 0 yards today, but nobody is saying we need to demote him, except maybe I am saying Shaheed should start over him.

I am still very skeptical of what Taysom Hill can accomplish in big games versus big defenses. Unfortunately our schedule does not lend itself to finding out. Clearly he has an amount of value but I think it is less than the salaries and guarantees we have given him. Yes he rushed for 52 yards, but D'Onta Foreman and Tyson Bagent costs less combined and both rushed for more, so I am not convinced that Taysom Hill rushing for 52 yards and throwing a 3 yard pass means his $10 million a year salary is an amazing bargain. Today though it was better than Kamara's salary for being a 3rd down back with 2.9 yards a carry of Michael Thomas' for catching 0 passes.

I think a shocking thing could be responsible for improvements to our offensive line. The motivational power of competition and consequences. We finally have started benching players who struggle and handing full time jobs to those who thrive in relief. For so many years we had these golden boy high draft pick oline and we were so disappointed that many of them were glass and constantly hurt so we *****ed and moaned that the only reason the Falcons or whoever beat us was because they got to play their starting oline more, so whenever our starting oline was healthy we would not dare take them off the field because then we would be inflicting that instability on ourselves and wasting all the incredible draft capital we spent on them. Well, it turns out that sometimes when you bench a player you light a fire under their ass and they improve, and sometimes when you give a backup a real chance to earn the starting job not just a 1 week gig keeping a seat warm where they cant earn **** no matter how well they perform, that backup surprises you and continues to grow. And sometimes that sends a message to other starters and other backups too, that they all better be on their game. For all we know if we had benched Andrus Peat for a few games 5 years ago, he would be an all pro today, but we never tried it. Now that there is a sense that everyone has to produce to keep their job, our oline is performing better.

Now if only this same standard was applied to wide receivers, and the number of snaps and targets they received had any relationship whatsoever to their performance.

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I stopped reading when you said we should start Shaheed over Thomas. Are you not aware that both Thomas AND Shaheed started yesterday, as well as Olave. All three of them played the majority of offensive snaps. Shaheed also played six special teams snaps.

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The Saints may need to reconsider the RB in the 2024 draft. I recall a nice run vs the Bears & then went to the medical tent.

K Miller suffered another ankle injury vs the Bears.

The kid has been dealing with knee "sprains" going back to TCU. Then another sprain vs KC pre-season, a shoulder injury, a hamstring & now the ankle.

Durability concerns & he's only a rookie.

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Nice game Paulson Adebo.

Ranked #2 (4) in interceptions as of 11/6/203.

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We love drafting players with an injury history. It's our secret sauce.

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There are very few players that have not dealt with injuries at one point or another in their pre-NFL careers. Football is, after all, a 100% injury rate game.

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This win should have felt better. There were several missed opportunities by the offense.

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Every win feels great to me. This is the NFL. Any given Sunday. Every win is great.

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Deuce is completely correct here.

Against the better teams (circle 12/3), & in post season you have to shut the door early. LEAVE NO DOUBT. Luckily we were playing the Bears.

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The problem is that when we shut the door it's usually on our foot.....just before we shoot ourselves in it.

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Not to be a Debbie downer for some of you flying on a high. I like the team we have on the field and believe there is a ton of potential there. While the team is certainly better than 5-4, what stands on the sidelines is not. That is the sh*t show which prevents me from seeing overall upside.

We are 5-4 and Top of the NFL South. Great
We are also in a spot where if we do not win the division we could be out of wild card position, and have beaten no teams with a winning record. Other than the Colts, no team we have beaten has more than 2 wins and 3 of our 4 losses came to teams that are .500 or below. We are only beating loosing teams and 1/2 the time losing to losing teams which really curbs any potential for enthusiasm.

While I do understand that optimism is more socially acceptable than pragmatism, I also know that Las Vegas was built on and is sustained by blind hope and optimism... Not winners. :bng:

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What does Vegas have to do with our hope and optimism for our beloved Saints?

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Every week that goes by the HC and OC show us more detailed evidence of their lack of ability to lead a talent laden rooster. With inconsistent game planning that fails to attacks our opponents defense using ALL our offensive weapons. Play calling looks random, 3rd and short throw deep, 3rd and long throw 3 yard crossing route across the middle trying to pickup 9.

We saw multiple calls by DA in this game alone where his decisions rather than increasing the margin for victory putting the outcome of the game at greater risk.

Whether we win the NFC South or not this leadership Cabal needs to change. DA is an example of someone who is a really good Defensive Coordinator but has twice shown little prospect as a Head Coach in especially in Todays NFL that is an Offense First League.

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Agree. For the past few years this team has had multiple injured players and an average to below average record as a result. Or so many of us thought. Now that the team is relatively healthy this season with one of the best defenses this team has ever had playing against unremarkable teams their record is again average.

It's evident from which the weakness stems.

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My biggest concern is that DA will be back next year! "Nuff said!" :brood:

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I just want to reach the playoffs and play a home game. If that guarantees that Allen returns as head coach then so be it.

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JAG has 1 td... :beatnik: according to ESPN. I don't follow much... maybe 2.... cough.