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AsylumGuido 11-15-2023 11:06 AM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 986022)
See, the problem is that you’re talking to Fans, when you should be talking to Ownership, by cancelling your subscription to season tickets until this broken mess is fixed.

It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.

K Major 11-15-2023 11:57 AM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 985973)
We need a new Head Coach.

In the last year and a half, the Saints have looked terrible.

Barring any post-season run (with this roster & QB :o just "getting there" isn't good enough), the front office needs to say enough is enough.

10 games in the books, we have yet to defeat a contender/team headed for the postseason. Only bottom feeders & we're 5 & 5? Wow.

Olave and Carr have zero chemistry. Jamaal was a baller in Detroit last season, but here ... outside of the injury, he's been mid. Taysom isn't even given opportunities to help when you need a big play.

Such a boring offense to watch with Allen and Carmichael.

Sinner 11-15-2023 03:36 PM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 986027)
It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.

No I wouldn’t. I don’t.

BakoSaint 11-15-2023 07:59 PM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 986027)
It took me 15 years on a waiting list to get season tickets. There ain't no way in Hell I'm cancelling them and moving to the back of the line again even if I wanted. And I'll guarantee you that the vast majority of season ticket holders feel the same way. A good percentage of them have had their tickets for decades. Through winning and losing. If you'd gone through what we went through to finally get our tickets you'd feel the same way.

The whole sell out era was built on mass house cleaning firings. The sell outs started in 2006, and coming back from Katrina was part of the excitement, but moving on from Haslett and Brooks was the biggest part. You could not give away tickets in Baton Rouge to watch those jokers lose. For many in New Orleans, the waters did not recede until Haslett's office was boxed up and his insufferable excuses about just needing to execute a little better and how the ball didnt bounce our way and if you just didnt have such and such mistake or how we would commit slightly more to the run or open up the offense slightly more after he watched the tape were finally over for good. Had we trotted out Haslett and Brooks again in 2006, New Orleans would have found some other way to celebrate the resurgence of the city that did not involve the Saints. So if you think we will always sell out because we sold out for 15 years and fans will fear a wait list, I say that if there is one way to stop selling out season tickets, it is to return to the conditions we had before we sold out, to come full circle with another Jim Haslett and another Aaron Brooks. Some fans will hold onto tickets a couple more years with FOMO due to the long wait lists of the 2000-2010's, but in the long run the only surefire way to burn those fans loyalty is to undo the the thing that gained their loyalty in the first place, being willing to fire lousy coaches and overrated players.

AsylumGuido 11-16-2023 09:36 AM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 986056)
The whole sell out era was built on mass house cleaning firings. The sell outs started in 2006, and coming back from Katrina was part of the excitement, but moving on from Haslett and Brooks was the biggest part. You could not give away tickets in Baton Rouge to watch those jokers lose. For many in New Orleans, the waters did not recede until Haslett's office was boxed up and his insufferable excuses about just needing to execute a little better and how the ball didnt bounce our way and if you just didnt have such and such mistake or how we would commit slightly more to the run or open up the offense slightly more after he watched the tape were finally over for good. Had we trotted out Haslett and Brooks again in 2006, New Orleans would have found some other way to celebrate the resurgence of the city that did not involve the Saints. So if you think we will always sell out because we sold out for 15 years and fans will fear a wait list, I say that if there is one way to stop selling out season tickets, it is to return to the conditions we had before we sold out, to come full circle with another Jim Haslett and another Aaron Brooks. Some fans will hold onto tickets a couple more years with FOMO due to the long wait lists of the 2000-2010's, but in the long run the only surefire way to burn those fans loyalty is to undo the the thing that gained their loyalty in the first place, being willing to fire lousy coaches and overrated players.

It's easy to think that way for anyone that doesn't hold season tickets. It's like the unemployed person that tells the guy with a job to quit to make a point.

How many games do you attend on an annual basis?

AsylumGuido 11-16-2023 09:59 AM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 986045)
No I wouldn’t. I don’t.

What is clear is that season tickets mean more to those of us that hold them than does those that do do not for whatever reason. You cannot say with any certainty what you would do had you waited impatiently for 15 years to finally get those tickets.

Even as forlorn as you envision our Saints today, there's no reason to expect them to be as bad as you imagine for the next decade or more to come. If we were to give up our tickets as some sort of protest we may not be alive when the next opportunity to get them back arises.

Look back at the 1980 season when Buddy "D" called upon fans to boycott the games or in other words forfeit their game tickets. The fans refused en masse. It was then that Buddy "D" proposed the wearing of bags instead. Win or lose those ticket holders valued their seats too much to give them up. It's the very same now.

It is so easy give up something you do not have personally to hope to make a point. :rolleyes:

Sinner 11-16-2023 11:27 AM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 986066)
What is clear is that season tickets mean more to those of us that hold them than does those that do do not for whatever reason. You cannot say with any certainty what you would do had you waited impatiently for 15 years to finally get those tickets.

Even as forlorn as you envision our Saints today, there's no reason to expect them to be as bad as you imagine for the next decade or more to come. If we were to give up our tickets as some sort of protest we may not be alive when the next opportunity to get them back arises.

Look back at the 1980 season when Buddy "D" called upon fans to boycott the games or in other words forfeit their game tickets. The fans refused en masse. It was then that Buddy "D" proposed the wearing of bags instead. Win or lose those ticket holders valued their seats too much to give them up. It's the very same now.

It is so easy give up something you do not have personally to hope to make a point. :rolleyes:


Then “Just keep doing what you’re doing”.

AsylumGuido 11-16-2023 12:06 PM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 986067)
Then “Just keep doing what you’re doing”.

Given the fact is that there is nothing either you or I can do personally that will affect the success or failure of the Saints I will gladly keep doing what I'm doing. I am impressed that you finally understand.

:beer:

Sinner 11-16-2023 04:40 PM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 986071)
Given the fact is that there is nothing either you or I can do personally that will affect the success or failure of the Saints I will gladly keep doing what I'm doing. I am impressed that you finally understand.

:beer:

Given the fact that you value your season tickets more than AFFECTING CHANGE through NON PARTICIPATION, your masochism and Stockholm syndrome fail to impress… woefully.

Thirty3 11-16-2023 05:35 PM

Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE SAINTS LOSS TO VIKINGS (Halftime Edition)
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 985971)
I haven’t listened to any talking heads.

I wish I had your optimism bro. But I just haven’t seen anything to give me any confidence in this team getting anywhere close to its potential.

That said, I feel like this same team would be much better with another head coach and OC.

I get it if you judge their entire tenure including results during COVID. Nobody could have done anything with the team affected as they were that year. That's also the year that Hill had a couple of starts behind an oline that started more players than any other team due to illness and injury - and by which he is mostly judged. For me ... the jury is still out. This years woes have been oline (which has improved) and penalties at inopportune times. I like the hustle i've seen from most players. ADEBO has played lights out as has Kamara and Hill and Shaheed and..... Carr has improved ... and the list of positives is too long to list. I think they just needed playing time together. Criticised limited play in preseason. Olave has had something going on until last game produced somewhat. Drew had a slow start to his career in N.O. too. It took the GOAT awhile. I'm good with where Carr is. Again if the TEAM holds it together and stops the penalties - super optimism.


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