OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS

saintsfan1976 · 12-05-2023, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

You can also not fold because you don't care. When I play laser tag at a team building lunch with coworkers I don't give up if I am way behind, but thats not because I have amazing character. The players have a coach who will absolutely not be angry ever if they lose. So why should they worry if they are behind? Why should they try any differently if the message from coach is 'lets not keep score.' Why not just keep pursuing stats for their next contract negotiation and take advantage if the opponent with the big lead relaxes? Listen to the players post game press conferences. I just don't hear fight in many of them, I hear echoes of Dennis Allen. The fight is in the guys like Kamara and MT who they won't put in front of the camera, but those guys are being weeded out as cancers just like CGJ was.

Or maybe our backups just weren't quite up to the challenge of completing a 21-0 comeback.

Sinner · 12-05-2023, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Or maybe our backups just weren't quite up to the challenge of completing a 21-0 comeback.

We’ve been all backups (including our coaches) except for a handful of Players, since Drew and Sean’s demise.

K Major · 12-05-2023, 09:29 AM

If you (head substitute teacher) can't win games with that cupcake 2023 schedule, you've earned the right to be fired. Especially with the roster assembled.

These coaches still approach the game as if it's 2012 and Brees is under center.

And you better draft a QB too. Big picture, Derek Carr ain't it. Lacks pocket presence, limited in his mobility (hence the sacks) & isn't a leader.

It starts and ends with the Saints front office though.

Rugby Saint II · 12-05-2023, 11:30 AM

Fire everybody and bring in people from outside this stale organization to right the ship.

K Major · 12-05-2023, 04:36 PM

NFL Network featured the Lions stud rookie TE Sam LaPorta.

So far he has 64 receptions, 680 yards and 6 TD.

That's 3'x the production of our trio TE (JJ, Moreau and I rest on Wednesday Jimmy G) thus far.

Saints would be crazy not to make a move on Ben Johnson this off season. But I guess you have to get rid of the substitute teacher first.

#45 for the Saints is covering no one like he is in High School. Goodness gracious.

K Major · 12-05-2023, 04:44 PM

Notice the creativity, misdirection (see the Jameison Williams TD) & pre snap motion by Ben J's offense & subsequent score.

With the talent we have on offense, any reason why we can't replicate that in the redzone?

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neugey · 12-08-2023, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Presuming the league doesn't step in I'm sure we'll make every effort to rush Derek back before he's ready and overrule the spineless medical staff. This is a recurring theme going back to the Payton days.

There seems to be a predictable rhythm going:

Carr plays horrible -> Carr plays nominally better -> Carr takes a hard hit and gets knocked out of the game -> Carr comes back next week and plays abysmal because he's still banged up -> (Back to step 1)

I'm requoting my own post. I was right on Monday ... back when most everyone else said we were going to see Jameis.

Like others are saying ... slow motion car crash.

AsylumGuido · 12-08-2023, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

I'm requoting my own post. I was right on Monday ... back when most everyone else said we were going to see Jameis.

Like others are saying ... slow motion car crash.

You do realize there are several levels of concussion measurement, right? The bar is set incredibly low allowing entrance into the protocols with the vaguest of parameters. The league is covering their butts. Once again, it isn't the team or the players that gives the clearance. It is the league.

WhoDat!656 · 12-09-2023, 10:54 AM

Lions' Bruce Irvin 'all smiles' after learning amount of fine for Derek Carr hit

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...734d9e21&ei=19

Rugby Saint II · 12-09-2023, 03:32 PM

I stopped drinking during Saints games. It was just too hard on my liver. Oh well, it's had a nice long break so, I'll probably go on a bender if we lose!

12-05-2023, 03:35 AM	#31
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,549 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS Originally Posted by BakoSaint You can also not fold because you don't care. When I play laser tag at a team building lunch with coworkers I don't give up if I am way behind, but thats not because I have amazing character. The players have a coach who will absolutely not be angry ever if they lose. So why should they worry if they are behind? Why should they try any differently if the message from coach is 'lets not keep score.' Why not just keep pursuing stats for their next contract negotiation and take advantage if the opponent with the big lead relaxes? Listen to the players post game press conferences. I just don't hear fight in many of them, I hear echoes of Dennis Allen. The fight is in the guys like Kamara and MT who they won't put in front of the camera, but those guys are being weeded out as cancers just like CGJ was. Or maybe our backups just weren't quite up to the challenge of completing a 21-0 comeback.

12-05-2023, 08:49 AM	#32
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Or maybe our backups just weren't quite up to the challenge of completing a 21-0 comeback. We’ve been all backups (including our coaches) except for a handful of Players, since Drew and Sean’s demise.
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12-05-2023, 09:29 AM	#33
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,064 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS If you (head substitute teacher) can't win games with that cupcake 2023 schedule, you've earned the right to be fired. Especially with the roster assembled. These coaches still approach the game as if it's 2012 and Brees is under center. And you better draft a QB too. Big picture, Derek Carr ain't it. Lacks pocket presence, limited in his mobility (hence the sacks) & isn't a leader. It starts and ends with the Saints front office though. neugey, Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

12-05-2023, 11:30 AM	#34
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS Fire everybody and bring in people from outside this stale organization to right the ship.

12-05-2023, 04:36 PM	#35
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,064 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS NFL Network featured the Lions stud rookie TE Sam LaPorta. So far he has 64 receptions, 680 yards and 6 TD. That's 3'x the production of our trio TE (JJ, Moreau and I rest on Wednesday Jimmy G) thus far. Saints would be crazy not to make a move on Ben Johnson this off season. But I guess you have to get rid of the substitute teacher first. #45 for the Saints is covering no one like he is in High School. Goodness gracious. Twitter

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12-05-2023, 04:44 PM	#36
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,064 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS Notice the creativity, misdirection (see the Jameison Williams TD) & pre snap motion by Ben J's offense & subsequent score. With the talent we have on offense, any reason why we can't replicate that in the redzone? Twitter Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-08-2023, 06:19 PM	#37
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,606 Blog Entries: 13	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS Originally Posted by neugey Presuming the league doesn't step in I'm sure we'll make every effort to rush Derek back before he's ready and overrule the spineless medical staff. This is a recurring theme going back to the Payton days. There seems to be a predictable rhythm going: Carr plays horrible -> Carr plays nominally better -> Carr takes a hard hit and gets knocked out of the game -> Carr comes back next week and plays abysmal because he's still banged up -> (Back to step 1) I'm requoting my own post. I was right on Monday ... back when most everyone else said we were going to see Jameis. Like others are saying ... slow motion car crash.

12-08-2023, 06:29 PM	#38
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS Originally Posted by neugey I'm requoting my own post. I was right on Monday ... back when most everyone else said we were going to see Jameis. Like others are saying ... slow motion car crash. You do realize there are several levels of concussion measurement, right? The bar is set incredibly low allowing entrance into the protocols with the vaguest of parameters. The league is covering their butts. Once again, it isn't the team or the players that gives the clearance. It is the league.

12-09-2023, 10:54 AM	#39
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,001	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS Lions' Bruce Irvin 'all smiles' after learning amount of fine for Derek Carr hit https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...734d9e21&ei=19

12-09-2023, 03:32 PM	#40
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIRST DRIVES OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE SAINTS EMBARRASSMENT TO THE LIONS I stopped drinking during Saints games. It was just too hard on my liver. Oh well, it's had a nice long break so, I'll probably go on a bender if we lose!