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Or AK could ask to be traded :(

I mean the guy was a winner in high school (carried his team to a state title), briefly in college under Saban & a lot of success with Brees/Payton. 2 years under Allen (apparently all he does is chop wood :rolleyes:), just a lot of losing & excuses with no change.

It would suck, but hey I'd understand.

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I'm beyond giving Mickey the benefit of the doubt because we are in complete stasis with the way he's managing the team, with both our coaching staff and our players. The few moves we do make are reactive at best. Nothing done at the trade deadline despite all the warning signs. Little no workouts/tryouts at positions of need, just the perfunctory moves to backfill for injuries. The JPP signing was the most noteworthy move made, and he's already left.


Now if we reach the offseason and Mickey changes his tune and makes changes and says he isn't satisfied with the results on the field and we're going to try a new approach and he makes considerable moves to back up those words, I'd certainly change my tune on him. But as mentioned before, I fear Mickey is more concerned with being "right" than being a winner as he demonstrates it with both actions and words.

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If he doesn't fire everybody this offseason then I'm probably onboard with going in a fresh direction under a new GM. That means a full rebuild! Personally, that scares the hell out of me!

The problem with firing everyone is that it's not an easy task to replace a recently competent staff. I don't want to become the Browns or the Aints(again) and keep running through a vicious cycle looking for the right combination of good management, coaches, scouts,and other essential personnel again.

Be careful what you wish for! You just might get it!

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His most recent statement to the media (Katherine Terrell) about Jimmy Graham being "inactive" is a microcsm of what is wrong with Allen and why he will NEVER be even an average NFL head.

Even with this so called "easy" 2023 schedule, we are losing to backup QBs, & having already lost to Tampa AND Atlanta.

Currently a game below .500 :rolleyes:

He is what he is. A below average HC with an average QB.

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And it's a stretch to consider Carr an average QB at this point. Trying to get an accurate pass out of him is like trying to get the government to disclose UFO info.

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I honestly don't know what to make of Carr. With Gruden he was above average. With any other coach he's been... sufficient. I don't think he has the "it" factor so since the Saints are stuck with him they need to get a smart, demanding coach that knows how to use the whole team to win.

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All aboard the 2024 train, destination


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This is the NFL. Teams come out of "nowhere" every year to become contenders.

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They do, just not us. Not this year, not last year, and the way things are (not) shaping up, not next year. Pathetic Management…

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Indeed Sinner, indeed.

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Them teams that do tend to have good coaching and scouting. A GM that has so e pressure on them not a free hand to run the franchise. They also tend to be young teams, not one of the oldest teams in the league with veterans in their 30s eating salary way above their onfield production.

They tend to have some cap space and good draft picks. Not trading up and using a likely top 10 second round pick on a LT that can't get a start after nearly 2 years.

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Kind of feeling envious of the Chargers today in that I wish we could get some of the national disdain for Allen that Staley is getting.

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Chargers messed up ... they could have had Sean Payton.

Now look at em. Getting flat out embarassed on a national stage last night.

Just last week, the Raaaydah's put up a whopping 3 points. Not at all surprised Staley is gone. That was bad.

Brandon Staley and Dennis Allen are the same dudes. Look at the records.

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Staley and the GM both gone! My envy only grows.

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Let’s hope (at least most of us here) the Saints front office aren't put into the position to make the same mistake the Chargers made last year, when they kept Brandon Staley despite the writing being clearly written on the wall.

“Run it back” with this inept coaching staff for what?

Firing Pete in the off season is the easy out. Saints issues are far greater than just the OC.

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All it took was a wide margin of loss to a franchise with a long history of adjacent territory and competing for fans in the intermediate territory and greater historical success in past generations that is known for bringing big road crowds. The Raiders are essentially a franchise the Chargers envy in certain ways for their larger following in the same region. If there is a team like that for us, that we really don't want to be embarrassed by and worry about losing fans to, it could be the Cowboys who compete for a following in western Louisiana. We may see a game like this, but only if we make the playoffs, or next year.

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If only the Lions had of kept scoring at the same rate they were, maybe we'd have been as lucky as Chargers fans now are.

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I don't see Chargers fans as lucky at all.

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You don’t see. PERIOD.

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We get it. You don't like Guido.

Enough of the cheap shots. I'm sure everyone is tired of these pissing contests.

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If by pissing contests, you’re referring to Saints Games during these last two seasons, you are correct. Everybody’s tired.

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It's a one way piss since I have had him blocked for months. All he appears to be doing is pissing off everyone else. LOL!!

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I look forward to the day when our Saints put together a winning team, maybe five or six more years from now, and we can all raise a glass together, until then, Pollyannas gonna Pollyanna, and Pissers gonna Piss. Clearly, you can take it.

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Loomis and Benson have to know that their investors want big changes. That makes these decisions a matter of investment. If Dennis Allen returns the team will likely lose a lot of money.

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Who are these investors that are putting "a lot of money" into the Saints coffers?

All but a small percentage of revenues are shared in the NFL. The model was designed such that any individual franchise cannot suffer financially. The vast majority of league revenues come through the broadcast deals. Those are guaranteed for almost the next decade and are split evenly amongst teams. A portion of a team's ticket sales are kept within house, but the remainder are also shared evenly amongst all franchises. Therefore, even the least attended still get a sizable portion of ticket revenues. Most established franchises (including the Saints) are guaranteed sellouts for years to come. Merchandise is also shared evenly across all franchises. The only revenue source that belongs to the individual franchise is concessions which, on the whole, is a very small percentage of total income.

This is why even the worst of franchises are setting records for sales price when transferred to new owners.

Believe me, money is not an incentive for change in any individual NFL franchise. Pride, yes. Money, no. The league model has that well in hand.

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Best to just ignore it and stay out of it. Sinner isn't going to be satisfied until the organization is stripped from top to bottom, which is not generally the tenor of this organization and Guido cannot be dissuaded from cheering and pulling for the team no matter what the objective state of affairs are.

Both are unrealistic in their expectations. Personally I think Sinner uses Guido as a proxy for the Saints brass with the "We have the right people in the building..." nonsense. So, since it's not possible to heckle Loomis and Ms. Benson on the daily, and seeing nothing change, all that ire is instead directed towards Guido, which we all know is an immovable object on that front.

So, personally, I treat the situation just like I'm treating the team now: just watching with no expectations that anything is going to change or get better. Doing anything else seems to just lead to frustration on a daily basis.

SFIAH

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You're just too damned logical, SFIAH. ;)

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Okay… See y’all on Sunday then.

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Therein lies the problem. DA and Carr aren't Alpha males. Throw Gruden(Alpha) in the mix and you've got different results.

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My crystal ball says that DA will get fired later in the season.....next year.

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Just looking at a cap calculator

It's pretty hilarious the state the teams in

If you traded the players below with a post June trade you will have cleared the defict they currently tly have and made a huge $3.4ml in clear cap to replace them

Michael Thomas,Lattimer,Ramczyk,Peat,Kamara and Davis

All while putting yourself 10ml over next year with dead money.

Pushing the cap worked on the back of having Brees and a young core. Now your seeing what happens when you keep coming up with duds in the draft. And wasting 35ml on a mediocre QB when you had soneone in house for a fraction of the cost or you ignore someone like Pickett in the draft.

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Yeah I’d call that a bad business plan, IF the business is about winning football games.

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Bring in Mr Clean and the scrubbing bubbles. Cleaning house is a big job.